This thread is about the appreciation of whorology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.>Required viewing for newbies:https://youtu.be/u7xRjE3Sylw>Strap Guide: http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE>Watch essentials 102: http://pastebin.com/VBAu4RwiPrevious Thread:>>63747348
What time is it?
Time to party
>>63762835
I'm thinking about buying this watch: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06W9JDHP8/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_9.flAbTGC62F7 Opinions?
Can anyone here recommend me a cheap GMT diver that doesn't look like a Rolex knockoff? I am willing to do quartz at this point. Also no stop fucking recommending watches that are often times more expensive than a Rolex. I emphasize cheap.
seagull or vostok?
>>63763130>he can't afford a beater PatekShould it be a diver style or just any gmt? Because Junkers make some nice Junk GMTs that aren't styled like a Rolex.Timex makes some pretty good intelliquartz watches that come with that function and then there's tons of mall brands that offer quartz + gmt. What's your budget?
>>63763168Vostok >>63763125>>>/fa/
My battery for my F-91W died, thought it might be a good time to get a new strap while I replace it. Any suggestions?
>>63763228It doesn't need to be a divers, just enough that you can swim with it.
>>63763130How about this? Simple, doesn't look tryhard, quartz, wr200 and cheap.
>>63763296WTF is that shit inside of the dial? JUST GIVE ME THE TIME AND GMT FEATURE, I DON'T NEED ALL OF THAT USELESS FUCKING NUMBERS THAT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.
>>63763314>he doesn't know how to use a slide rule>he doesn't know how to use a slide rule bezelThe gmt feature on that watch is revolting imo
>>63763357Did I fucking say I don't know how to use it? Learn to fucking read I said I DON'T FUCKING WANT IT. Also I agree with your that GMT feature is retarded.
>>63763168V O S T O K
>>63763314?
>>63763452#notmyvostok
>>63763391>WTF is that shit inside the dialYes you did fail to know what it is.
>>63763427>>63763230why
>>63763540What you said was I don't know how to use a simple slide rule which takes 30 seconds to learn. So yea you're the idiot that can't comprehend simple english. Again if you are not going to be useful then get the fuck out of my thread.
>>63763725>I didn't know what a slide rule is but I can use oneSure buddy.
>service my broken King seiko hi beat>mainspring broke, no problem >replaced mainspring, overhaul it, no problems.>get it to 2 sec a day fast with .1 m/s beat error>stops working, cant figure out why>strip the entire thing down>see that 6 teeth off the barrel are sheared offwhen the mainspring broke it took some barrel teeth with it. and I only noticed it when it lost engagement with the cannon pinion drive wheel.gonna call 2 part suppliers on monday and hopefully they have it for less than 50 bucks. god fucking dammit.
>>63763130define "cheap"?
>>63763125Save money, buy straight from China.>>63763130There are plenty if you don't want a diver. It is hard enough to buy a cheap diver that doesn't pay homage to the Sub.
>>63762835thats a hybrid watch?
>>63763818Damn, sorry to hear that man. Best of luck with the parts hunt.
>>63764412That is very exquisite my friend.
>>63764394It's a quartz watch that uses a balance wheel, hairspring, and pallet fork instead of a stepper motor. Read the op pastebin and/or this.
>>63764481Nice. I got my Bruno Sohnle from Watchbuys last year and i think a tegimented Sinn U1 will be my next pickup.
>>63764598
>>63764598how many faking watchmakers are in that town?
Thoughts on the Nokia Steel?
>>63764748Better than a blow job from a entry level columbian whore.So pretty good overall.
>>6376474810/10 would cop senpai
>>63764748I think it looks surprisingly classy for a smart watch.
>>63764917What did he mean by this?
Why shouldn't I buy this?https://launches.endclothing.com/product/end-x-timex-navi-ocean-watch-tw2r78400qn
>>63765110In my most honest opinion, I only like top right.You need some diversity to your collection my friend.
How do I take good pictures of my collection?
>>63765168Natural lighting and plenty of it!
>>63765112How much is the regular version? How much is the meme colab worth to you?
>>63765229Maybe get a nice dress watch, a digital lcd and/or led one for a beater or for nerd core, maybe a chronograph too.Seen one diver and you've seen them all.. That's how I feel about those.
>>63765293>>63765229>>63764917>>63764412
>>6376511238mm diver isn't bad but just remember you're sinking 199 for it
God, I just listened to this interview. This might be the greatest talk I have ever listened related to watches. I laughed and cried during it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoAb-rgdPm4Is there anything that comes close to it?
>>63765110W..what is that abomination on the top left? It looks like Seiko USA tried to knock off the Alpinist.
>>63765157>>63766193>replying to stale reposted bait collection pics
Can anyone help id this watch? At least a ballpark maker/style/price/whatever? It's in Japan if that's any hint. Thanks.
do I pull the trigger on this?
>>63766466Price is a bit high.
>>637664661500 gold dollars? Wtf.Anyways, get something more tastefull like a speedmaster.
>>63766466Over 1100 USD is more than I'd want to pay - for a 45GS I'd be thinking in the 500-800 range depending on condition. The seller's description shows a clear lack of knowledge about the watch and there is no movement shot or proof of service, so I would take the "serviced" claim with a bit of skepticism. No returns either. I'd suggest taking a pass. Only upside is ebay buyer protection - seller states it's running +3 "flat" (presumably dial up), so you can return if it isn't, despite the no returns policy.On the plus side the case condition looks pretty decent, as does the dial. I'm not enough of an expert to judge if it's a redial, but I suspect it's not. The case looks unpolished, but there are so few pictures, and the pictures aren't that good.
>>63766466No. It's too expensive for its condition, and you should really consider whether you feel it is worthwhile to pay the premium for a Grand Seiko branded 4520 vs a King Seiko branded 4500 or 4502.If you have some risk tolerance and some willingness to learn how to judge the condition, originality and value of examples of these watches for yourself you can also find much better values on Yahoo Japan Auctions using a proxy bidding service like ZenMarket or Buyee.
>>63766557>>63766545>>63766521>>63766519Cheers lads, all the GS wanking around here has made me want one, I'll do more research though.
>>63766590I'd agree with >>63766580 on the suggestion to go with a King Seiko - they go for a bit cheaper, and have the same movement inside (they just weren't adjusted as carefully at the factory - although with the accuracy of mine, you wouldn't believe it). They also have the non-hooded lugs, which I'd argue is nicer than the lugs on the GS cases.
>>63766630Is the finishing the same?
>>63766652I believe it is for the 4520s. When you start talking observatory chronometer and VFA 4580s, I don't know, but I would guess it probably is.
>>63766630>they just weren't adjusted as carefully at the factory - although with the accuracy of mine, you wouldn't believe itAh, well, there is a little bit of debate on this subject among vintage Seiko nerds. There seem to be some persistent discrepancies between the standard to which certain Daini Seikosha produced King Seiko branded models were supposed to be adjusted to, and the standard they were actually adjusted to. There is some belief out there that since the King Seiko Brand was developed by Daini themselves rather than the Suwa developed Grand Seiko branding, that Daini tended to adjust the King Seiko versions to a higher standard than they were theoretically supposed to according to the corporate dictum that decided Grand Seiko was supposed to be a higher model line with better adjustment. In general from what I've read I haven't seen anything to suggest that reguar 45xx GS models are substantively more accurate than the KS branded equivalents. VFA and Astronomical Observatory versions are of course a separate matter.
>>63766670>>I believe it is for the 4520s. When you start talking observatory chronometer and VFA 4580s, I don't know, but I would guess it probably is.It's my understanding that the VFA models had similar levels of external finishing to the regular Grand Seiko versions. As far as I'm aware it was only the movements that were substantially different. For anyone not aware, the movements in the VFA models were made by the best watchmakers the factory had, cherry picking each component in the movement for optimal characteristics, hand assembled by that master watchmaker, and then extensively adjusted by that master watchmaker. With so much care and attention showered on them they became capable of extraordinary accuracy, and they were sold with a +/- 2 SPD accuracy guarantee for 2 years from the factory.
entry level chinkquartz is more accurate than your $500k grails, really makes you think
>>63767004holy shit ur right....
>>63767004So what? It's meaningless.
>>63767004Actually, you could argue that the very best in accurate automatics might be able to do +- 15 a month like the worst quartz.
>>63764412>>63764917>>63765110>>63765229>>63765293>>63766313>>63766976>>63767004>>63767074autism
>>63767113And occasionally slightly better...
>>63767004One of my grails is the GP 32A that achieved an N-score of 5.12 in 1967 at Neuchatel, a daily rate of better than a quarter second per day.
>>63767144You know better than this, that watch has a Delta of over 2 seconds.
>>63767159>DeltaIs not a measure of mean daily rate or average daily rate. That movement was regulated quite deliberately to return an average daily rate of +0.0 SPD in use.
>>63764676Nice. First time I've seen anyone else on these threads with a Sohnle.
>>63767352The dial is great but the hands are awful (and the readability is terrible). The lugs aren't great either. I'm thinking about trying to get a better set of hands swapped onto it.
>>63767322>why do you people not want a more inconvenient phone?Gee I wonder.
>>63767322>he has to charge his watchgirlslaughing.jpg
>>63767457No I don't, I have a UHF quartz.https://youtu.be/qft4hFNPtsg
>>63767538>run for monthskek'd at this honestly, you must be trolling to list this as a positive>it can run for literally days if you turn off all of the features and just wear an ugly brick with 0 finishing on your wrist!!!There are some Seiko solars that will run for 30+ years bucko.
>>63767564in comparison to watches that don't need charging at all? do i really need to explain how it's not a positive?
>>63767574>not getting an eco drive instead
>>63766397I'm pretty sure it's 70's Jap crap, but I can't tell you any specifics because that picture is really blurry. It's a really common style that was made by Citizen and Seiko (and many non Japanese companies too, but you said Japan so I'll focus on those) so you can get one in almost any price range. Two examples I can think of that come in that style or close are the Seiko 5 (the Actus line especially, but the watch in your pic is definitely not one of those since the crown is at 3 o'clock instead of 4) and can be gotten for as low as $25, and the Seiko Lord Matic which can be copped for ~$50-200+ depending on condition. As for Citizen, there's the Seven Star and Chronomaster which both also came in that style but seem more rare and expensive, plus I don't know a lot about them.
>>63767503I would like to have one of those Bulovas just because of that movement but they're all just hideous.
>>63769164Some of them look okay.
>>63768063That's great anon, thanks a lot, gives me a good starting point for digging further.
>>63762835Can't decide if I should get a Seiko sarb or save up and go for the Tudor heritage black bay. I have given manlet wrist that I feel a shame of
>>63769647SARBs are nice if you can live with dirt on the dial.
>>63769667>>>63769647>SARBs are nice if you can live with dirt on the dial.Pretty sure that was an skx.
>>63766588leddit ruins everything, it was almost a matter of time before they made it to watches.
>>63766588>three paragraphs of inane bullshit that can be condensed to three sentences>receive upvotes for being a massive fag exhibitionistI love reddit so much.
>>63769667>>63769728What dirt problem? Ive never heard of itI'm also too worry about it being 38mm might only barely fit within my wrist without too much of an overhang. Kind of like the Tudor and I can surely afford it, but I also want a Japanese watch.
>>63763168Boctok
>>63763130My Zeppelin GMT is quite nice, not sure what water resistance is though.
>>63769767Your wife has a gorgeous bull, enjoy your watch and Wear It In Good Health!
>>63763242Just get a new F-91W. >>63763243The G-Shock GW-M5610 has world time and 200m wr.
>>63770000
First pics of the Seiko mini turtle have come out. I'm still on the fence whether I should sell my SKX to get one of these.
>>63770594
>>63770594Are there any pics of one on a non-wristlet?
>>63770594The case on this looks like shit. The Turtle or SX cases are much better.Also, cyclops.Good on them for dropping the day at least, and the indices are pretty cool.
So what are considered good ETA movements? What should you avoid at all costs? When buying ETA based watches what is proper price ceiling for new pieces?
>>63770594Case shape is awful, it's still huge, crown sticks straight out, cyclops, and misaligned chapter ring.I don't know why they need such a similar product in their portfolio, much less one that's worse in almost every way.
>>63771261That bezel looks pretty straight.
>>63770831the indices is the worst part imoit makes the watch look squished
>>63770594Bad pictures but yea looks kinda odd. i'll stick with my turtle.
>>63771261Agreed, it's like they purposefully made it worse in every possible way. I'll stick with my SKX.
>>63763818Now I'm second guessing buying one.. I'm no watchmaker. I need to find a good seiko servicer in Holland
>>63767004big if true
>>63771608Let me know if you find one.
It's snowing where I live
>>63771991I understand the official seiko service centers can't guarantee to repair vintage models, but does anyone have any good stories of it working?
>>63772025not a big fan of the design on the hour handother than that looks nice
>>63772025We're getting about 5 to 6 centimeters in the lowlands right now
>>63772317Nice & sunny here m8.
>>63771608>>63771991>>63772086In general you should avoid bringing vintage watches to the official service centers of the brands themselves. They typically don't understand how to work on vintage watches and can often do more harm than good to them, such as by replacing dials or polishing cases without asking.You should try to find an independent watchmaker with a good reputation, and if you are interested in vintage Seiko 45xx models specifically it may be helpful for you to learn a bit about sourcing vintage watch parts. The 45xx line is known to be a little more prone to wear issues requiring the occasional replacement part than most Daini Seikosha movements of that era were, as the movement was designed for accuracy above all other criteria.
>>63772317>centimeters
>>63772508>not centimeters
>>63772508It's call the metric system. You know the one that every country in the world uses except for 3 retarded slums.
>>63772317>by low lands do you mean new jersey and by centimeters do you mean inches?
>>63772632Nope I mean centimetres and the low lands is what you call the Benelux (Belgium Netherlands and Luxembourg) region in Europe
>>63772462Las Palmas huh?
>>63772560if by three retarded slums you are actually referring to objectively the wealthiest most powerful nations to ever exist on the planet earth than sure.
>>63772632whom art thou quoting?
>>63769667SARB QC is pretty great anon. they fall foul of all the stuff lazy swisscucks have such as misaligned hands but beyond that my sarb is perfect
>>63763230has some genuine horological history. has good water resistance, is probably cheaper than a decent seagull, can customise to how you like it.honestly the only good seagulls are dress watches so why you would compare seagull to vostok i really don't know
>>63769272pretty nice actually. I'm still going to get a spaceview though
>>63772676Puerto del Carmen.
>>63772025Same
>>63762835>picthat shoddy solderjob triggers my autism
>>63773067was just looking at thesedo you rate? what other band options are there?
>>63762835what's the pink shit?
>>63773132getting a strapcode oyster for mine as soon as they are back in stock. you could go green nato, green/brown perlon or aged/horween leather straps.I like the watch. the only gripe I have is with the 6R15 movement in that it doesn't have an instant date changeover (slowly changes between 9 and 12) and that the buckle isn't signed seiko.other than that the quality is good for the money, though I don't really have anything within the same price bracket to compare it to
>>63773160>>63773132oh and the stock strap is dogshit
>>63773160>>63773173hmm very tempted to get the white faced one.how do you think mechanical movement would hold up in the outdoors?
>>63773255>how do you think mechanical movement would hold up in the outdoorswhat do you mean anon?
