This thread is about the appreciation of whorology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.>Required viewing for newbies:https://youtu.be/H9NruIjkGEw>Strap Guide: http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE>Watch essentials 102: http://pastebin.com/VBAu4RwiPrevious Thread:>>63732205
>>63746109Not Kojima approved.
>>63747348>Previous thread had 299 posts>OP pic is some Pajeet movement>Vid changed to some autists interviewWhat happened to these threads?
>>63747379>post limit 300>movement is the slimmest split seconds colum wheel chronograph movement ever made>High quality video about one of the greatest individual watch makers currently aliveYou just come here to shitpost and ask what is happening to these threads?
>>63747348Yeah Patek suck and have gone to shit in recent years. Just look at that shitty quality movement ....
>>63747376Those may be good, but they will never rival the aesthetics of this one.
>>63747508BUT BUT BUT MUH SAMURAI FINISHING
>>63747511>just looks like a boring CasioFalse.
>>63747586The later Casios are homages to this watch my friend.The design is the archetype of the perfect digital watch, if you start adding more shit it will suffer like in your pic.
>>63747508The OP image isn't large enough to tell anything about the movement finishing, and in any case it is Patek's entry level models which have rightly been taken to task for increasingly cutting corners in the last few years.
>>63747629>secondary display to complement the additional functionality without compromising the main display>exotic high tech look that has survived the test of time despite vast technological advancesWorks great.
https://youtu.be/-qPv1Q_dwRE
>>63747656>10/10>doesn't have the screws clocked/timed9.5/10 at best. If woodworkers can do it you should expect it of a watch that calibre 2bh.
>>63747811>screw-head alignment should be a factor in judging anglage qualityWhat did he mean by this?
>>63747832I didn't read the title 2bh I thought it was just over all finishing and was shocked to see screw heads all over the show.
>>63747722>Features shown only on one display without clogging the display with too much information or hindering it's performance.>exotic high tech look that has survived the test of time despite vast technological advancesIf you can say that about this watch you can say it about the Casio too.
>>63747914>Even updated still looks dated or quirky minimalism>display and features not as usefulThat's the exact opposite, idiot.
>>63747994>display and features not as usefulTell me which features are not that usefull?It has a chronograph which can always be usefull.Calendar till 2099 or something.Alarm, which is propably it's most usefless feature but still very usefull.Backlight bright enough to tell time in the dark.These casios pretty much have all the usefull features a digital watch should have.
>>63748039>can't see the time simultaneously while using said featuresPlease, I mentioned this.
>>63748079Do you really need to see the time when you are using the chronograph? You can switch back to show the time if you need to see it anyways.Why do you want to see it simultaneously?
>>63748042What are we looking at here? What's that snail looking mechanism for?
>>63748112Countdown timer is my personal favorite. I don't ever have the touch it after setting it or after it completes, because it will still have normal time at the bottom.
>>63748145It's a regulator. http://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/blogregulators.php
>>63747722I wish seiko would make some more tasteful watches with this movement instead of the wired monstrosities they're putting out. A regular g757 homage would be ideal.
>>63748208Oh yeah I should've guessed that. Are you working on it or was this at an exhibit?
So I asked a couple threads ago why watches with numbered indices cost more, and I got a response that it requires more ink, which is logical but I get the idea the poster was being facetious. So what's the real reason? Because a Seiko 5 with tally indices costs significantly less than a Seiko 5 with numbered ones and it can't just be the ink, since many of them have stamped/machined indices.Also is it safe to get Seiko 5s from ebay or amazon? Are the "vintage" Indian frankenwatches scams or what? How do I spot a knockoff?
>>63748266This is the other. Looks weirdly wide though, not square.
>>63748302I thought i literally said wide
>>63748301its franken so its not original. I don't know if you class that as a scam or not.if you know what you're looking for you can easily tell the difference between a genuine seiko 5 and a franken, but if not then maybe stick to amazon
>>63748292This was at the NYC patek exhibit this summer.
>>63748567
Im thinking about designing and 3d printing my own watch using bismuth which melts below the temp that would mess up my molds thoughts?
hi gee. can you recomend me an affordable (100-300 USD) chronograph
>>63748689Only mechanical option in that range is a seagull 1963 of derivative thereof. Lots of quartz options both analog and digital.
Penis reporting in. I sold my King Quartz after realizing I hadn't worn it in more than 10 months. Paid $220 CAD for it on eBay, and sold it off for $250 on Kijiji.>owned watch for two years>6.6% rate of returnBetter than my fucking index funds
>>63733386Came here in fall of '14. I remember because that was the time Alien Isolation came out and liking the retro aesthetics of Alien I noticed the wristwatch in-game and looked it up. I used to wear memenicals as a kid and I got hooked again on watches. Back then I was a NEET with a shitty IT degree. Now I'm a watchmaker with a stable job. I literally got hired on the spot.
>>63748772Your index funds returned less than 6.6% over the last two years? That's pretty bad given the market environment over the last two years.
>>63748803Hey I have a shitty IT degree! Does this mean I can become a watchmaker?
>>63748829Some funds did better than others, average was around 6%. I got greedy and picked a lot of risky securities for some. But yes it is extremely poor, I could almost get a higher rate from City of Toronto bonds.
>>63748772jesus that's gorgeous
>>63748574>>63748567neat
>>63748895No, you're too far gone.
>>63748992Ah too bad. I'll try again in the next life
>>63748803Where do you work? Is it NYC? Should I bring you my shitters to be serviced?
>>63733662literally all of them are good but start with stalker and solaris.
>>63749554Not him but I watched Stalker months ago.Is the point that the zone is like life itself?
>>63749649I thought it was some sort of sentient entity that had otherworldly powers. It is a straight sci-fi film and the glasses moving at the end definitely points to this. Allegorically is the zone life? To me it wasn't but the lack of information in the film is supposed to be filled in by the individual. Good art means something different to different people at different stages of life. I personally really love Tarkovsky because of how competent the cinematography is in all his work the story's are interesting but for me they are simply a tool to draw me through his painting. I am just an idiot though so take anything i say with a grain of salt.
just curious what's the purpose of a chronograph watch?
>>63749982Is this bait? What is the purpose of any timer or stop watch? Are you really asking that?
>>63749995You can use the rotating bezel on your skx to measure time roughly, no need to measure it with a second or tenth of a second accuracy.
>>63749421East-Europe.
>>63750223Unless you're measuring lap times, dummy.
>>63750258There are far better instruments than a wrist watch for measuring those and if you actually need it measured, there are people who do it for you, silly.
>>63750223>>63750289
>>63750352>I'm out of arguments, so i'll just use this fish image.
I'm going to get an Orient Bambino and there's nothing you can do to stop me
>>63750473That movement is sexy as fuck.
>>63749649>the zone is like life itself?yes. And when you understand the simplicity of the professor-writer-priest interactions then the film becomes entirely an emotional and cerebral experience
>>63750710it's ok
>>63750710Way ahead of you mate."Watch enthusiasts hate this guy, find out how he got pussy and compliments by wearing a something dirt cheap compared to rolex"
So here is a question: Are the Lemania 134x and 5100 the only directly driven chronograph complications ever developed? Some casual investigation of the topic hasn't turned up any others, which actually surprises me a bit.
Post blue dials.
>>63750820
>>63750223>skx>shitter king xtreme being used for anything other than having a misaligned chapter ring and poorly applied lume 0/10
Anyone have ideas for what to get someone who likes watches that ISNT a watch? I already have a book for them.
>>63751035A spring bar tool.
>>63750820Maybe a better pic.
>>63750820Muh Amphibia.
>>63750928
>>63751079How many of you guys are also interested in knives?Not meaning to start the watches and knives train.It grieves my heart to see these piece of shit opinels everywhere.. Nothing personnel to you my friend though.
Anyone ever bought an MHD watch? They seem like one of the few miyota based microbrands that are priced accurately, or at least at the lower end of the price range.>>63751166Watch guys are generally knife guys who are generally car guys who are generally gun guys.
>>63746670Looks like a gap to me.
>>63750949>>63750964I think these two images adjacent to one another sort of sum up the whole rolex vs seiko argument rather nicely.
>>63751166Actually, I'm even more autistic about knives than I am about watches.
>>63751302I don't think that's a particularly fair comparison considering that the DJ cost like 20x the price of the Turtle when new.
>>63751267So, you are saying you believe that the edge of the end-link curve inwards and/or the inner lug face curved outward such that the flush fit near the lug tips isn't consistent all the way back to the case? In reality both are obviously flat surfaces so the fit at the lug tips must remain the same all the way to the case and the apparent sliver of a gap must logically be the black effect on a mirror polished surface.
>>63751302I am the turtle owner and there really isnt an argument to be had there
>>63751166Pocket knifes I only have an Opinel No.7 and a red carbon steel Mercator (no those shitty stainless steel or retard colour ones). I have a full chiefs set of Victorinox and a bench set of Global like off those kitchen shows. A good couple of knives in the kitchen is the best improvement you can make to your cooking imo.I have Victorinox multi tool "swiss army original" or w/e it's called and a Leatherman wingman.I kind of have one or 2 of each use and switch them round for variety.
>>63751166
>>63750710Which one?
>>63751364Ok, what about this?
How do we feel about biglargehuge lugs?
>look up some movements of watches I wanted to buy>$20 and $10 miyota movements>expecting me to pay $300+ for a mass produced quartz movementAre cases that expensive to make and assemble?
>>63751556No, you're just getting played by Instagram watch marketers.
>>63751593Tbh, they know exactly how to sell to me. Ah well I'll patiently browse ebay for the next purchase.
>>63751510That looks like a tiny gap, but one that is an order of magnitude smaller than what you were previously suggesting the gap was. I have a GS dealer local to me so I'll go take a look in person and see how much of a gap, if any, is present on the models they have in stock. This is the kind of thing much easier to evaluate in person than photos.
>>63751672Are you fucking kidding me? You can see the spring bars through the gap.
>>63751634blue blue electric blue that's the colour of my poo
>>63751328Its not about price its more about selection philosophy. I choose to save for the rolex and some people love their seikos.
>>63751691SHUT THE FUCK UP ITS FUCKING 10000 TIMES FOLDED GRAMMER DESIGN SAMURAI DAINI SEIKOSHI FINISHING YOU FUCKING SWATCH MALE
>>63751691
>>63751166I never leave the house without it. I use it about once a week I'd say. Which isn't often, but when I do I'm quite relived that it's with me. I use it for more frequently during the weekends and when I go on trips outside of the city. These days carrying a pocket knife is taboo though, so I try not to let others know I have it unless they really need one.
Is this also just the mirror polish?
>>63751855
Here, you can very clearly see that the bracelet is tapering away as it gets closer to the case.
This one is a bit unfair because I edited the contrast, but you can see the spring bars.
>>63751691>>63751855No, that is clearly a gap. That image and the one before do a much better job of showing what you are talking about than the other ones you've used, and I'd never noticed that gap before.
>>63751924THANK YOU HOLY FUCK
>>63751803That's a good picture anon.How to achieve with a relatively good smart phone camera?
>>63751509Poljot made a fucking swatch homage.I am disappointed.
>>63751934Sorry it took me this long to see what you were talking about.
>>63751970My phone (essential ph-1) just received an update that gives the camera a Portrait mode. It allows the phone to take amazing photos of objects/subjects.I think the Google Pixel camera app can do the same. You might want to download it. There are ports of it on XDA.
just got a new watchHow can I make it as accurate as a rolex? It's a quartz seiko but i want rolex accuracy
>>637523691/10 bait
Got a lab incubator/refrigerator as an early Christmas present - finally ready to start doing chronometer testing
>>63752369no seiko is going to be as reliable as a rolex, get real
>>63752575what if I take out the seiko gears and put in rolex gears?
Do you think divers can work on wristlets? The sarb fits me perfectly and its on the smaller side.
>>63752673>what if I take out the seiko gears and put in rolex gears?yeah that would do it, but it would be expensive
>>63752707Get a smaller one, SKX013, one of the numerous 62MAS homages out there, NTH sub for example
My b-day purchase. What say you all?https://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-5-SRPB32-Dual-Crown-Compressor-Style-Watch-/253289848595
>>63752969gay
>>63753008Can you be more specific?
>>63752969The gold and that bezel aren't that great.
>>63751691>>63751855My Explorer II with it's original 20 year old beater bracelet has less of a gap and a better fit even when I held it up to the light and tried pushing it to one side. I mean Grand Seiko is still nice and all but holy shit do weebs overrate them.
>>63753064The SRPB31 with the chrome case and red bezel was a bit more expensive. I don't have another watch with a gold case so it will at least add some variety.
>>63753461gay variety
Why is watchfinder literally never spoken of in /wt/?It makes the other and very few YouTube watch channels look like absolute garbage. https://youtu.be/VMPGFWtmTeM
>>63753503He talks like a fag.
>>63753500No you see, it's my wizard achievement scheme. Wear a gay watch, drive a gay car, enjoy financial and emotional stability. Pulling bitches is for squares.Now I have to get a winder for my Seiko Kinetics.
Are smart watches worth looking into? What features should I be interested in if I couldn't care for the fitness side of them?
>>63753503Because e-celebrities are cancer.
>>63753503We talking about then the other thread. One if the few genuinely good YouTube channels
>>63753686right now, not really. The only smartwatch worth a shit as a pure timepiece was the Pebble, and it's been killed off. If you can find one, they are really excellent if you want a watch that displays notifications and runs simple software instead of a wrist-mounted smartphone. The Pebble's week-long battery life absolutely destroys every competitor.
anyone else want to buy a cool Tag?like they are just so cool and hip these days, they know just what the youths want.
>>63754190most of the people who appreciate that kind of street art style could not possibly afford a Tag. I mean, they could, if they wanted to eat ramen for months.of course, that's what credit is for.
I want a grand seiko. Should I sell my car to get one?
>>63754687No.
>>63754687Yes.
>>63750473fug.
>>63752707Sarb isn't a diver, wtf dude
>>63754687No your supposed to sell your watch to get a car
Post your ultimate grails
>>63754780
>>63754787
>>63754805>numbers plagiarized from based omegatypical
>>63755002how much do these go for? $60?
>>63750710Orient is a good choice. I have a lot of entry level watch brands, and my Orient Mako is by far the best.
What are some good straps that go with the Alpinist?
>>63747722>>63747562That look grew on me, but I don't care enough to get an actual G757 so I'll just get an AE1200. Question is resin or steel?>>63755262You're starting to annoy me, man. Especially since you don't even seem to care enough to reply to responses you get.
>>63755308You mean resin or resin?
>>63754787only $400 000
>>63755355Okay, resin on steel bracelet or resin on resin?
Can someone recommend me a GMT divers that doesn't look like a Rolex knockoff?
>>63755433SUN019, or a different colored variant.
>>63755443Is there something like this in Automatic?
>>63755262
>>63755479However at this price you would do better with an Explorer II.
Can /wt/ recommend me a good comfy Perlon strap?
>>63755479There are a few, like the Hamilton H32695731, Glycine airman series, or one of the Komandirskies with GMT hand.
>>63755568>>63755479Forgot to mention that Orient has a fuckton of watches with a GMT hand.
>>63754787Amazing movement with some stunning watch making to produce all the torque for the instant digit shift. But honestly the watch itself looks fucking ugly.
>>63753313Fock me dead, is that you Archie?
>>63755657that wrist is nowhere near fat enough
>>63755620This t.b.h. movement makes my hard diamonds, on the other hand the finished of the watch itself looks a bit weird, not my style.
My Lordpenis
>>63755810Every now and then you come across a watch so hideous that it makes the very concept of a watch seem shit.
>>63755479The Seiko Kinetics are essentially automatic quartz. There's a rotor inside that spins a generator that charges the battery. I know that doesn't make much sense but they work beautifully. You get the nice engine-on-your-wrist feel of an automatic watch (you can feel and hear the rotor spin, usually) with the accuracy of quartz. The old models were kind of experimental but the ones you can buy now are highly reliable and you can get some rather cool styles and complications.Some watchmaker will probably come out of the woodwork and tell me I'm wrong and they are terrible watches because the battery is only supposed to last for 10 years instead of the 50+ you'd get out of a mechanical, but it's not as if they are particularly expensive or special beyond the charging mechanism.
>>63755860Imagine if digital watches came first, that's probably what everything else would look like.
114270 vs 116000114270 Explorer - better hands, will hold value better, technically the sportier model, but black dial looks more formal116000 OP - better dial, Rolex logo at the 12 o'clock, in theory the dressier watch, but the blue dial looks more casualI think I prefer the 116000 but I'm not sure about the blocky hands
>>63756071One of them is a 36MM and one is a 39MM, I personally prefer 39.
>>63755810
>>63756075>One of them is a 36MM and one is a 39MM, I personally prefer 39.No the 114270 is the pre 39mm Explorer. Rolex only stopped making the 36mm Explorer recently.I really dislike Oyster case Rolexes larger than 36mm
>>63756071
>>63747379>OP pic is some Pajeet movementyou men pateek movement.
Dear fatso, can I get some insight in difference in feel of both AE1200 models? I really dig the silver but I usually hate bracelets and don't want to waste those 30 shekels. Thanks.
>>63756186The Explorer has more character and history.Plus the black dial goes well in a suit.
>>63751035watch box/rolla strap
>>63751035Get them a watch winder.
>>63756342They are both so similar that one would not feel as if they had "missed out" by getting one over the other.I might swing for the 36mm Explorer since they're not making them anymore. I know watches aren't necessarily good investments but in the context of being balls deep in the stock market, a sports Rolex which is out of production, is not a bad substitute for precious metals as a store of value.The Mercedes hands are just more elegant and more iconic.And if I ever got a second watch, it would definitely be a two tone Sub blue dial, and that would be too much overlap with a blue dial OP.
>>63750820>can't sleep>haven't visited /wt/ in like fucking eons>see this postDon't mind if I do.
>>63753313To be fair, Grand Seikos also have more movement finishing and exterior finishing work than Rolexes do, so I don't think it makes much sense to just look at any single factor. Also, at first glance it appears that some of the newer Grand Seiko case designs have improved somewhat in terms do end-link gap compared to the older case designs, so this appears to be an area where GS is improving over time.
>>63756823Ayy welcome back
>>63756823Hey man, long time no see. How ya been? What do you think of Zenith's new silicon oscillator movement?
>>63756823Sup lawyeranon. D'you think a bracelet on a steel bezel diver would be too much steel? Also what d'you think about straight end links?
>>63756910*In terms of
Thoughts on the Nokia Steel?
FUCK TIMEX FOR RELEASING SMALL QUANTITIES OF MARLINS AND FOR NOT RELEASING IT IN EUROPE
>>6375699610/10. Highly recommended.
>>63757094You can get the non homage versions here very easily bro.
What would be a fair price for a vintage constellation?
>>63756910Ok they polish hands and dial indeces . They also finish movements but they have display case backs whereas rolex has a steel caseback you will never remove. Not really fair comparisons. Most finishing differences are due to design differnces. Where Rolex does finish it does a better job. Rolex watches are also more accurate. but but but gs run better than they say! I don't care about your "evidence" one company rates all their watches as being more accurate than the other and thats after both cosc and internal testing after being cased.
>>63756823That watch is painfully beautiful.
>>63756911Thanks m8. Always nice to come back.>>63756915I think is an impressive movement, and advanced enough to be considered a current technological time innovation, but I do hope this developement trascends into proper horological complications. Parmigiani, Patek, UN, AP, JLC, GP, and some others have all played with really advanced materials and innovative designs, but have also failed to use those achivements into the construction of the horological complications these are really intended to. They all create super accurate movements and do nothing more with them.I would love to see this kind of technology into extremely precise and adaptable "equations du temps" or planetariums, or tide and sunrise/sunset complications, etc...Still, the videos alone are breath taking, I hope to see one in the flesh soon.The cases are ass, though.>>63756918Sup m8?First of all, what happend to your hand? And second, steel bezel on bracelet is nit an overkill, as long as it has a case size that fits your anatomy. Same answer to straight end links. If you have a big enough wrist, none of them should be an issue.>>63757134Indeed it is. Thanks bruh.
>>63757156*not an overkill
>>63756996looks like something a new york hipster faggot would wear
>>63754190I'll have you know I own several vintage dress watches and used to paint trains as a kid.Though I admit that garbage posted earlier is just downright nasty.
>>63757156So you are the praised lawyeranon.What is your honest opinion on this fake Patek?
>>63757156>what happend to your hand?Not my pic lel. Just thinking about picking up one of these geckota bracelets since it reminds me of the oysterquartz jubilee. Either that or just keep it on the sailcloth strap, not sure. Excuse the potato tier pic. https://www.watchgecko.com/geckota-chamfered-jubilee-watch-strap.php
>>63757124>Where Rolex does finish it does a better jobGrand Seiko tin polishes their cases and bracelets, and does very intricate levels of brushed and polished finishing on their indices and hands. I don't see any evidence to suggest that Rolex does better exterior finishing work. Beyond that, I certainly don't think you can handwave away the much more extensive movement finishing work given how prized movement finishing is in horology.>Rolex is more accurateWith their +/- 2 SPD standard yes they are, though the difference won't be as large as the -3/+5 spec GS claims would suggest since having max positional variance specs identical to daily rate specs must logically produce a smaller daily rate than the spec.In any case I was not suggesting that Grand Seiko is better than Rolex, only that they have different strengths and you can't just look at one factor in isolation.
>>63757261Whoops meant for>>63754416
>>63757156That super accuracy is right up my alley because I'm big ok functional movement design, buy I definitely see your point. It will be interesting to see if LVMH van extend the use of this movement design into challenging complications or if someone else will have to achieve that.Also, don't worry about the cases for now, they will eventually be putting these movements in enough models to at least make one version that isn't hideous.
>>63757121You are going to have to be way more specific as to which movement and style of vintage Connie you are interested in. Also, to repeat my usual advice on vintage watches: When considering buying vintage watches it is incumbent upon you to learn enough about the model(s) you are interested in to be able to judge originality, condition and value for yourself or you are almost certain to end up getting ripped off. Also of course keep in mind that any vintage watch you buy is almost certain to need a service as soon as you get it, and so plan on locating an independent watchmaker you would trust to do the work prior to purchase.
>>63757265Some references of the Calatrava family can be copied fairly easily due to its simple design but, at a closer inspection, they would never deliver the high quality finishig, and sense, of the real deal; the bezel, for example.If it's actually a fake I would not use it -or buy it-, since I'd probably start to discover details of the badly made finishing that will eventually bother me too much, so that I coud not stand it.That been said, the photo is not clear enough to undoubtly judge if it's false.
>>63748567>Patek51
>>63757268Get the bracelet. You'll enjoy the change and, at the end of the day, it's all that matters.>>63757311Accurancy is also one of my soft spots, but so far no company has actually risen to the challenge of introducing this advances into regular, every day watches, or highly complicated ones. This is a mistake imho.>one version that isn't hideousI blame Hublot sales for this, and I hope you're right.>>63757121What model/reference?
>>63757269>having max positional variance specs identical to daily rate specs+_2 spd is also mpv brev and the machining, brushing, and polishing of the case ending with perfect edges and bracelet fitment is considered finishing. But if you consider the polishing and brushing better somehow then sure?
>>63757473Hey not that guy but if you know about vintage Omega i have a question. My brother is also a lawyer in NYC and he wears a galaxy watch but has expressed interest in a mechanical watches after seeing mine. Is it possible to get him a nice 561 or 562 omega for under 1k or should i save up more?
>>63757511>Is it possible to get him a nice 561 or 562 omega for under 1kShould be, yes.
>>63751556Search for same movements on aliexpress or some other chinkshit site, you'll see how much approx should those mall watches cost(of course chinkshit will have worse quality but not THAT much worse)
>>63757478>+_2 spd is also mpv brevDo you have a reference for Rolex using -/- 2 SPD for their maximum positional variance standard? I haven't seen that.>the machining, brushing, and polishing of the case ending with perfect edges and bracelet fitment is considered finishing. Yes and Grand Seiko had better polishing, at least as good brushing, and similarly perfect edges. It has worse end link fitment but better indices and hands with far more extensive brushing and polishing on them that Rolex uses. As I said, each has strengths and weaknesses relative to the other.
>>63757511NY is not the best place to buy vintage watches right now, as it is too hyped and prices have been riden up, but, if you lurk around, you might find a good deal around the 1k mark. A maybe better place to also try luck are watch fairs around big cities, where things aren't that expensive.However, if you don't have enough experience in the vintage market, or have some good knowledge of watches, you might be better saving some more and buying from a reputated vintage dealer, taht will be less likely to try to skim you.Remember. Buy the seller, not the watch.
>>63757552the +_ 2 is the max varience in multiple positions what do you think the number means? And yes you are right your samurai finishing is amazing because there is more of it.
>>63757586Thanks m8.
>haliosI never liked this brand because its name sounds like a mouth disease
>>63757591Do you not understand the difference between mean daily rate and max positional variance? And yes, intricately finishing indices and hands with multiple polished and brushed surfaces is harder than not doing that, and tin polishing cases and bracelets is harder than not doing so, and using more, smaller, polished and brushed surfaces on the case and bracelet is harder than fewer.
>>63757632Or a spaceship from a shitty scifi movie.Or some autistic, always broken Linux distribution
>>63757636I said you were right about finishing and you keep arguing because you are retarded. Do you know the difference between daily rate, positional error, and isochronism?
>>63757679>Do you know the difference between daily rate, positional error, and isochronism?Not the guy you're talking to, but I do not. Please explain??
>>63757707Daily rate is deviation over a period (day)Isochronism is instantaneous rate change based on reservepositional error is instantaneous rate error in different positions. guy above is basically saying gs has the same dr and pe and the other guy is saying rolex +_2 is pe other guy thinks its dr. Honestly i can't even find that information but cosc spec is 10 seconds for pe but its instantaneous rate change vs an average. The GS website on teh other hand lists static accuracy as +5-3 and daily rate as +8-1 before casing so the rolex is going to be way more accurate in daily usage. I don't know know where that gs fanboy got any of his info
>>63757784>>Isochronism is instantaneous rate change based on reserveDoesn't it also refer to the beat rate error? So you would say a watch with lower beat error has higher isochronism.
>>63756823>>63757156>>63757586Could you please post your collection pic lawyeranon?>>63757784thksI don't get isochronism
>>63757833Brainlet here, but I assume "is accurate time keeping affected whether your watch is fully wound up, halfway through the reserve and almost out of power"
Cop or not?http://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/review-technochas-elektronika-55-a-4560689.htmlThese digital lcd watches can be regulated, never ever heard of that.If you know any else such watches, please enlighten me.
>>63757833>Could you please post your collection pic lawyeranon?Happy to.>Not the entire collection back then, and neither now, as I've added like eight more watches since.
>>63757881What have you added?
>>63757881Take a full collection pic sometime (in high res), pls.
>>63757881What is the cheapest watch you own?All your pieces look to be above 1k.
That watch nobody here liked came in the mail. I still like it though, even if it looks like some weird orokin artifact.
>>63757895From the top of my head: Breguet, Daniel Roth, Tudor, Casio, Bulova, Citizen, Swatch, couple Omegas...Ok, maybe more than 8>>63757902It's not that easy, but I will. I promise.>>63757906Sistem51 maybe? Besides some toy watches from when I was a child.>>63757944I like it. Congrats m8!!
>>63757944How much did it cost?It's extremely simplistic and seems well worn, don't see anything wrong with it, but it's not exactly an eye-candy eitherHave no idea how much vintage credors might go for, but if it's anything close to what they go for now new, that would be ridiculous IMHO
>>63757977Sorry if this has been asked, I'm sure it has, but what's your favourite watch? Is it the FPJourne?Also which is your most expensive watch?And do you know/have as friends any other watch enthusiasts in real life/locally?
>>63757977>Daniel RothOne of the jumping hours (or minutes) ones? Those are pretty neat.
>>63757977Thanks m8>>63757978I got it just shy of $400 if you include shipping. Apparently credor used to be kind of cheap back before it was revived into some micro studio whatever. But the movement is about the same, so eh.
>>63757977I've always wondered why you had two Citizen bullheads, which don't get me wrong are excellent watches, yet no Seiko chronograph.
>>63758028nice wostok
>>63757992Don't worry m8.I think there's a tie between Journe and my Lange's. One of my Lange's.I have two close friends that share my passion, but most people I've met irl don't know the least about my collecting.>>63757996I do have a jumping hours, but it's from its sister brand Gerald Genta. I really love it.>>63758028I have both versions of the Seiko Bullhead now, blue and brown. Back then only had the blue. As I said before, that wasn't my entire collection, a few pieces were already in the new safe at the other bank. Btw, there is also one if the very few real gold Citizen bullhead in the pic.
>>63758084A bit of a poor man's Omega dynamic, but i really like it.>>63758091Definitely nice watches to have, though i'm a bigger fan of the superior 701X series chronographs.
>>63758141I would say both are equaly good in my book. A matter of taste, isn't it, m8?
>>63758183Are you irish? You sound irish.
>>63758201I'm ashamed to say I don't drink enough to be one. Sorry m8.
>>63758183I guess it is, assuming the 613X cals are well serviced and perhaps upgraded with another jewel they are quite a match. And as far as aesthetics go the 613X's are much more iconic.Though it's hard to not admire the stack register 7016's.
>>63757881what is this watch? i'm looking for something with these hands
>>63758226I had a chance to see one of the new zeniths at watch time NYC. Honestly the case is not as good in person, but the skeleton dial is an atrocity with that movement. Most distracting watch ever.
>>63757944how old are you?
>>63758319based finance anon with your slow motion.
I like watches, but don't have enough of an income to really be a collector at this point in my life. Looking to reward myself for having completed some large-ish job and celebrate Christmas by getting a simple, dressy watch.Any reason why the watch shouldn't be a SARB033?
>>63758390I should add that this is likely to be my own watch purchase for the next year or two at least, so hoping that the movement in that holds up to daily wear. Reviews I've read so far seem to indicate it will but I thought I'd get some opinions if anyone had them here.
Oyster Perpetual with Mercedes hands (mod)Looks better than the Explorer I
>>6375833524, why?
>>63757094it's a shit watch, you're not missing out.
>>63757944Is this quartz?
>>63758390No reason not to. Please never use a leather nato with it, or with any other watch.
>>63758270They are indeed well serviced, although I didn't knew they could be upgraded by adding another jewel. Would you mind to expand further on this m8?>>63758306That is a Record, by Zeno Watch Basel. Not an expensive one, made with the movements and dials of pocket watches that were never cased, 300 pieces. Awesome hands, but it has a 50mm case do make sure you can actually wear something that size if ypu decide to pull the trigger.>>63758319I think the dial is made precisely to shown the fast vibration mechanics but yes, it is ugly. I would prefer a traditional solid dial with a sector see thru.>>63758390>>63758432You should buy it. Is not a bad place to start. Also, unless you spent most of you day in an office, get a less formal strap for it.
>>63758604Record>Louis XVI hands>Enamel dial (porcelain) with painted indexes
>>63757707Mean daily rate: The most often quoted measure of watch accuracy, it is the mean of all the daily rates observed in testing a mechanical watch in all tested positions, at all tested temperatures, over the entire course of the test.Positional error: The spread between the fastest and slowest rates in any of the tested positions measured instantaneously and indicates how much the accuracy is affected by gravity.Isochronism: The instantaneous measured accuracy at different levels of mainspring wind, which measures how much the accuracy is affected by the power reserve remaining.The fundamental issue is that Rolex, COSC Chronometer Testing and Grand Seiko all use different testing standards and many of the particulars of those standards are not public so comparisons can be very complicated. We know for sure that Grand Seiko tests one additional position (the dreaded 12-up, usually the worst position for positional error which is why COSC excludes it) and one additional temperatre than COSC, however, there is a lot of information we don't know. Rolex recently announced a +/- 2 SPD mean daily rate specification for their movements, but Rolex does not share any information on the number of positions and temperatures tested, nor what specifications are used in testing any aspect of accuracy outside of mean daily rate. Similarly, Grand Seiko stopped publishing their full accuracy specs nearly 10 years ago.It's often discussed online that Grand Seikos tend to be more accurate than their claimed specification, with them often running within their accuarcy spec for mean daily rate if instantaneously measured in any position. Since mean daily rate is a mean from all tested positions and temperatures, seeing fastest and slowest rates within the specs given for mean daily rate mathematically must result in an actual observed mean daily rate smaller than the specification since a mean must always be significantly smaller than the maximum spread.
>>63758647>>63758604>lovely hands>50mmKill me now
>>63757707>>63758692Basically the point is that it isn't so simple as to be able to look at Rolex publishing +/- 2 SPD specifications and say they are massively more accurate than a Grand Seiko rated at -3/+5 because a lot depends on how many positions are being tested, at how many temperatures, and with how much tolerance for variances in measures that don't push the movement outside of the mean daily rate specification.In that context, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to note that Grand Seikos are very often observed to run better than their stated specifications and that Seiko in general is known for being quite conservative with mechanical movement accuracy specifications. I wasn't even suggesting that the Grand Seiko movements are *as accurate* as +/- 2 SPD rated Rolex movements, only that you shouldn't blindly judge Grand Seiko movements based on accuracy specifications that are widely known to be conservative in the industry.
>>63758604>They are indeed well serviced, although I didn't knew they could be upgraded by adding another jewel. Would you mind to expand further on this m8?I know that it can be done to most models of the 61XX cal line, and as far as i know Spencer Klein has done it on a few 6105's by now. But the issue with this caliber of movement is that the lower mainspring arbor has a tendency to wear through the metal as it's unjeweled and thus cause a buttload of problems. The solution is to finely machine out space for a jewel and add a jewel at the lower mainspring arbor port so all the friction will be on the jewel instead of on bear metal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5VL3F39yz4
>>63758773>bearMeant bare, but you get the point.Also now that i have some funds from a sale i'm considering getting some interesting watch off Yahoo jp or perhaps getting another Slav beater.
>>63758183>I would say both are equaly good in my book. A matter of taste, isn't it, m8?In general I think the argument that would be made is that the 701x ended up proving itself to be a much more robust and reliable design than the 613x chronograph. For what it's worth, a Southern Ontario watchmaker known for working on vintage Seikos described the 701x movement as "fucking brilliant" and he's usually pretty curmudgeony.
Oh boy oh boy
>>63758951Oh boy these are real crusty
>>63758995So a couple of 2209's a Vostok made 260x?
>>63759026yeeeeeeahReal shame this dial is so messed up because it is actually beautiful.
>>63758951> Yuri Gagarin
>>63758951I see we order from the same slav shit provider in the Ukraine. eBay?
>>63759091yeah i kekked >>63759092I suppose we do lol; guy has like 500 movements and sells them for next to nothing
>>63758951>>63758995>>63759039Shame on that Vostok dial, would be really dope if it was in a better condition.What will you do with those 2209s btw?The left one seems t o be in a working condition.
>>63758464You might actually have a point there. Where did this get modded?
>>63759293i bought that redialed luch a while back and the main spring stripped the first gear it hits so i bought two movements for parts basically. Im gonna source a few mainsprings soon and replace that next.
>>63759293oh and i know didn't specifically ask but i am going to take the vostok movement down clean it and polish the surfaces and edges and attempt to reassemble it for no reason at all lol.
>>63758533Yeah, it's the same quartz the new credors use, too. I wonder what the difference between 8J81 on this watch and 8J41 on the dolce everyone like so much is.
>>63759478Sounds like a cool project.I have been thinking of attempting to finish a soviet movement just to see how it would look.
>>63759658i guess that is actually one of the reasons i have for doing it. i was browsing the ukranian's store page and i thought the movement plates looked very good. During winter break i will have plenty of time.
is this ok?
>>63758647What's the perfect watch in your opinion?Btw what are your thoughts on a new Timex Marlin reissue? (If you care)
>>63758647Do you watch TGV?
>>63761047are you fucking crazy
>>63761064What´s wrong with lollipop-boy channel?
>>63758757
Are there any black and gold watches that look flashy for under $100?
>>63761630>>>/fa/watch
>>63760566Same, but also the Master Callendar.
>>63758951>Yuri Gagarin
>>63758551
>>63761016I think I have already enconter a watch that I consider perfect, and yet, I don't own it, nor do I plan to own it in the future. The perfect watch is a timepiece so good you don't have the need to own any other, and I don't think I could live like that. The Marlin reissue is a hyped object, but that doesn't mean is bad. I'll read further and come back to you.>>63761047>>63761484Fuck that faggot. I don't follow any particular youtuber but he is the worst of all, and he can't take any critics. The one time I complained about his Squalel Lint-Shit he actually responded me and then erased mi coments and banned me from his sissy support group on FB. Pure ass.
>>63762092>TFW you haven't found your one watch for life
>>63754416yeah its trash as fuck. Why is Tag marketing to millenial cucks that cant even afford their watches?
Hey, recommend me a sporty looking watch for when i dont want to dress formal. Wrist is like 6.5". Appreciate the help.
>>63762511do you have any preferences in terms of mechanical / quartz, digital / analogue or brands etc.? give us something a little more specific
>>63762511Budget?
>>63747348luv my little shitter
>>63762604thinking of getting a Vostok myselfhow's that watch being going for you?
>>63762615it's a ton of fun, and doesn't scratch easily. accuracy is meh (loses 1 min every couple days) and lume is shit, but for ~75 euros go for it m8
>>63762511A datejust of your choice
>>63762604Diameter and lug to lug distance on this one?I'm currently looking for a diver with a max lug to lug distance of 42mm.
>>63762615Different anon here.They are durable as a brick, they have rather unique aesthetics and history behind them, and can be generally adjusted for decent accuracy. My last two Amphibia's both did 8+ per day after regulation.Currently going to recreate pic related.
>>63762641>>63762684do you know much of the cheaper Komandirskie models from Vostok & if they're worth buying, or am I better off going for an automatic Seiko at a similar price
>>63762665this is the 120 case that's no longer available in the meranom website, it's 41mm excluding crown and 48mm lug to lug. got it when the new SE editions came up
>>63762665other cases for reference
>>63762835>>63762835>>63762835
>>63762830>48, 48, 48, 46, 50, 45Thanks, but I was thinking something like. 42 or less is my spot because tiny wrists. Sadly I can't find a watch with this case on ebay.
>>63762780They are also Vostok, but they are handwound movements (Which is almost the same as the auto) and come in plated brass cases.If you're already going for a Vostok go for an Amphibia, or one of the automatic K-34/K-35 Komandirskies if you like the aesthetic of them. As far as recommendations go,the 420059 is a good example and so is the 420634. Cases for smaller wrists are only the 420 and 710 though the newer 670 and 150 are also pretty nice.Basically, pick dial and then pick a case. Bezels are easy to exchange anyways, with plenty of aftermarket bezels.
>>63762860they wear pretty small for the size, if that's any help
>>63750949I believe thats a fake based on the box
