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>>18012291
This Japanese app sure likes to use obscure sentences to show simple kanji.
Kansai-ben sucks.
>>18012327It's all about Kyoto-ben
Happy Saturday evening - hope you reach your learning goals for today.As someone who just started, I am doing Core 2K and Tae Kim Core 2k decks (the latter slower). Any other good beginner decks or is that already enough?
>>18012313dont bully the op idiot
>>18012358Kyoto-ben is a Kansai-ben and therefore sucks.
>>18012365
返事でもしたげへんねんで
I'm having a hard time figuring out what this shirt is saying. Can anyone help me out?shirt is from rag and bone btw
>>18012394are you trolling?read it left to right without thinking of japanese grammar or anything.
>>18012407RADO GUBO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>18012394If not trolling, it essentially says "Rag and Bone". it should be in katakana though.
>>18012394>length mark is horizontal in vertical textmy sides
>>18012410
>>18012394It's Rag and Bone in Hiragana(らぐ)(あんど)(ぼーん)Rag And Bone
Can someone help with understanding what 悶々 means, dictionaries translate it as "worrying endlessly" but it was translated as getting horny(?) This is the whole line 私がエッチしてるとこ想像して悶々と… and it was translated as "You're getting horny just imagining me having sex"
>>18012423AAANGSUIIISH
>>18012407wow i'm dumb. was reading vertically
>>18012422おにいちゃんらぐってなあに？
>>18012394The only way this could get better is if it was a tattoo.
>>18012468Knowing the brand, that shirt is close to $100 new.
>>18012463 らぐって「rag」だからこれみたいなものなんだよ
>>18012463濡れ雑巾
>>18012240Your big sis wants to move to the city to become a fashion model.Your little sis is like a little growing beanstalk.Having a daughter is bretty gud.
>>18012415They prolly thought those weird squibbles look more exotic than angular characters.
>>18012423In my experience it basically means worrying or fretting over something. It's often used in porn when people are horny to a tormenting degree. It pops up pretty often.
Does anyone (or DJT site?) have recs for books (not manga) that are good for beginners? There is a big Japanese bookstore where I live so I am sure they have something equivalent to yotsuba in terms of language level but like a regular book.
>>18012691Kino no Tabi.
>>18012612I was watching an LP where the player started cracking up after making a pun involving itI think it has an erotic connotation in general; or at least I'd be hesitant to use it actual speech
>>18012691manga has visual context and is far less dense than even an easy bookIs there a reason you don't want to read manga?
How do I get good at Japanese again? Haven't spoken it in 3years, so my speech is out the window and my reading getting worse. I can still comfortably read toriba but that's about it.
I'm planning a complete english black out. For the next few months I'll be using only japanese websites and listening to japanese voices. to acheive this I'm planning the following things. 1. 24/7 japanese podcasts playing while I go about my life. Everything from science to society to economy and more2. Reading Online Japanese magazines. Again, a lot of different websites from serious formal tones to comedic casual tones3. Reading Japanese novels. A large amount of "syousetsuka ni narou!" garbage counter-weighted by serious works, mostly pre-war authors.So what I want to ask help for is my final point which I don't know how to replace effectively.4. A japanese subsitute for 4chanI've tried 2channel and futaba but I honestly hate both of them for the most part and wanted to see if anybody knew of any relatively popular japanese forums where people write using relatively normal japanese language. Thank you for your help!
>>18012423Consult native sources when in doubt.https://www.weblio.jp/content/悶々とする>悶々とするという表現は、性的欲求不満などの意味合いと絡めて用いられる場合もある
>>180129482ch is too diverse for "I hate it" to sound genuine at allHow long (and which boards) have you used to form that opinion?
>>18012971I flipped through ten or so boards at random. I remember 大学生活、国際情勢、料理、アニメ, 負け組 and a few others I don't remember including one about living in the countryside and one about saying whatever you want.I felt about as confused and lost as when I started browsing 4chan years ago except I was also struggling to read the language in addition to not understanding the local culture at all. I just want something where people comment and discuss on things in japanese and do so in a mostly normal manner.
>>18012990Lately I've been using https://dig.5ch.net/ to search very specific keywords related to my interests, such as authors.
>>18012948This whole idea sounds gimmicky as fuck.Most people don't need the equivalent of locking themselves into solitary to learn japanese. At best you'll probably learn 10% faster. At worst you'll have burned out and wasted your time.It's also paradoxical; if you have the discipline to actually follow through with an invented boot-camp like this then why don't you have the discipline to learn japanese even when surrounded by english? The english internet is not the reason you're not at your desired level.
>tfw To Love Ru is the perfect next step up from Yotsuba difficultywise>tfw not horny when trying to learn Japanese
>>18013064Well I thought I might as well give it a try at this point. I've got my N1 and received the news a few days ago that I got approved for the monbukagakusho scholarship I applied to back in june so I'm packing up my life and leaving at some point early next year. But my actual Japanese skill, as in actually producing japanese via my mouth or writing it with a pen is so absolutely ridiculously low it's pathetic and depressing. I don't want to reach Japan having to express myself using kiddie grammar and I've got a lot of time to spare until my plane takes off so I'm just looking for solutions to this problem. My actual reading skill is fine, I have trouble listening but it's not that bad. I'm just desperate to immerse myself before I actually have to forcibly immerse myself in japanese.
natives explanations are so good sometimes:>「てめーも去年補習だったろーが 余裕ぶっこいてんじゃねーぞ」の意味としては、>「おまえも去年、補習を受けたんだから、そんな余裕のあるような態度でいてはいけないぞ」「のんびりしている場合じゃないだろう」というような感じです。
>>18012612>>18012954Thanks a lot for clearing it up for me!
I'm reading Ley Line as my first VN and getting through it at a decent pace while enjoying it. Fairly easy language to understand. That having been said, I'm invested in the story and characters, and I know there are two more games in the trilogy. Since I'm assuming the two sequels are just as light in terms of difficulty, would I be gimping myself by reading them next? Or should I move onto something more challenging once I'm done with this, and come back to those two later? Thoughts?
>>18013108If you head on to something more difficult, and its not particularly interesting, you always have the rest of leyline to look forward toplus you will read it even easierAccording to the stats page, the difficulty actually decreases through the rest
>>18013108The sequels are actually a bit harder.
>>18013131>>18013141oops yeah disregard what I said, I read the stats page wrongthey do get harder
>>18013141>>18013149If they're a bit harder then I guess it's okay, huh? Well, maybe if I'm not burned out after this first one I'll try the sequels. It might be best to wait between them after all.
>>18013102A better use of your time between now and then would be getting rid of your phobia of making mistakes (and eliminating your social anxiety, if you have any). You're a student foreigner, not a defective native. No one expects you to talk like a sports commentator. Hundreds of chinese and corean N1s flood into Japan every year and most of them can't speak for shit either.Introverted hobbies like novels, magazines, and podcasts are a waste of your time, unless you're doing it out of a desperate desire for things to talk about (in which case it's too late to fix that). For speaking, if you don't have any native friends then do a 10 minute vlog every night in japanese describing what you did that day in japanese. You're N1 so you don't need anyone to check your grammar (though you will make mistakes). That'll help you get used to producing sounds that your mouth isn't used to.>handwriting memeJust relax dude. They're not going to deport you for talking like Daviddo-kun. Don't raise a bar for yourself that doesn't actually exist.
>>18012361oh shit dawg get the kanji radicals deck, or the all in one kanji deck
>>18012106I've been to less than 10 bookstores in my life but I think they're most commonly organized by publisheronce you go to the correct 男性向け or 女性向け section of course
>>18012312You mean like how English dictionaries use ridiculously verbose and complicated explanations for simple words?
i wish lang-8 would open registrations. it's been closed for months and there probably aren't any other websites quite as good as that for japanese writing purposes
そうじきかけるからおにいちゃんへやかたして
How accurately do I have to pronounce Japanese phonemes in order to be understood as long as I get pitch accent right?I.E., if I pronounce らりるれろ as the English R, ふ as a hard F, will I still be mostly understood, if with a strong American accent?
>>18013281https://vocaroo.com/
I'm looking for a manga to read. My only hard requirements are:- an interesting plot capable of holding one's interest for long periods (gives you the "I wanna know what happens next!" feeling)- a relatively low difficulty level*- has furiganaAnyone have any suggestions?*Stuff like Ika Musume and ToLoveRu doesn't really give me any trouble, so I can probably manage something a little above them in terms of difficulty.
>>18013281>will I still be mostly understood, if with a strong American accent?Considering there is a significant number of idiots living in Japan who do this, you will probably be okay most of the time in this regard.Don't do this.
>>18013281さしすせそもきをつけてねsa shi su se so だよsa si su se soだとびみょうにつうじないよ
>>18013293>変質者英語の利用者はラスボス し->つがむり
>>18013290Yotsubato
>>18013290Out of curiosity, why is furigana a common requirement in suggestions?I'm at a very low level and have limited experience, but I've found that I can't stop furigana from grabbing my eyes on words that I could read without them. In this regard it seems like a con, and that the extra work for every word you run into that you can't read the kanji of is worth it to avoid this for the words that you can. I suppose entry can be pretty slow if you don't know another word using each kanji, but handwriting recognition is pretty decent.Is it for on the go reading, or is there another aspect I haven't considered?
>>18013308Unrelated to your point what do you use for handwriting detection? I have Google Translate handwriting input but every time you lift your finger after a stroke it (shortly after) automatically hits the spacebar making it useless for kanji
>>18013281What's the purpose of pronouncing ふ as ふっう again?
>>18013290Dragon Ball
>>18013308When you're just starting, keeping up with grammar alone can be tough. You probably shouldn't bee too concerned with memorizing words at that point. It can be a crutch later though.
>>18013308if the furigana isn't outright annoying like seeing zalgo noise over text then you need it
>>18013305いいにくいね「しつ」はかなり
>>18013308>I've found that I can't stop furigana from grabbing my eyes on words that I could read without them. In this regard it seems like a conI don't see this as a problem since I add every new word into Anki and there's obviously no furigana there when the words come up in my reviews.>and that the extra work for every word you run into that you can't read the kanji of is worth it to avoid this for the words that you can.Because I don't view your con as a problem, from my perspective this extra work has no benefit.>or is there another aspect I haven't considered?My main concern is not having to draw words into Google Translate to look them up, but there is another reason: If something has furigana, it means it is intended (at least partially) for younger audiences (teens or younger). No furigana means it is intended for adult readers, which means the language is probably more difficult.
>>18013307>interesting plot>>18013314I watched it shitloads as a kid on TV so I basically know everything that happens in the story already. Since I would always know the answer to the question "what happens next!?", I don't think it would hold my interest.
>>18013311Did you mean Google Handwriting Input? I don't have that installed, but Google Translate's handwriting popup doesn't have that problem that for me. I've heard a lot of people say the downloadable input method is shitty compared to what is in Google Translate, no clue why.>>18013325I see your points, thanks.
>>18013308You underestimate how many words Japanese (or any language) has.You won't decipher the avalanche of new compounds just after reading over them once
>>18013331Google Translate's. I've got an android phone maybe you have an iPhone and it's not a bag of dicks on that. Handwriting input's really fucked up as well for me and switches to voice input for no reason
>>18013330If you watched it as a kid, unless you were watching bootleg fansub VHSes, you had all of the dialogue rewritten and shat over.Unless you've seen Kai in which case nvm.
>>18013338True, but having even the basic outline of the plot spoiled makes reading something significantly less interesting. If you already know generally where the story is going, then it takes all the tension away.
>>18013335I was using it from my desktop. Just installed the app and I see your point, but if you hit the back arrow in the lower left it lets you continue drawing the previous kanji.
>>18013325>No furigana means it is intended for adult readerswith some exceptions of course
furigana is not for looking up wordsit makes it much easier to understand what new words mean Without having to look them up
>>18013353If you're slow (which, for a hitherto unseen kanji lookup you will be) you have to hit that back button so many times it becomes too frustrating to bother with. It used to work like the desktop app I don't know why they can't just fix it.
>>18013356whats with her hand
>>18013360Most natives are capable of inferring what unfamiliar words mean from the kanji and context.The furigana is there to let them read uninterrupted without stopping to wonder if 汚す should be read よごす or けがす when they're trying to enjoy a story, not take a mini kanji quiz
>>18013399not kids
>>18013399Yeah, try not to post made up bullshit next time, thanks.
so if my retention rate is 66% on anki i should lower the amount of new cards im receiving correct? whats a number i should be aiming for? like 80%?
>>18012327なんでやねん！
>>18013408I don't know what part of my post triggered your bullshit alarm, but okI've seen two adult natives who couldn't read 悼む without furigana (うらむ、かなしむ were among the guesses) but both of them obviously knew what it meant
>>1801342966 is pretty poor. You quickly forget a third of everything you are supposedly learning. Yes, should be 80+. Reduce the new cards until it's stabilized.
>>18013441Manga with furigana are primarily for children who are still learning to read. Not adults. Dumbass.
Duolingo seems to have japanese now under beta, has anyone given it a try? I've been trying to use it to relearn some of the basics. On the side, it's strange seeing that a lot seems to have changed in japanese from what I was taught, and actually retained, back when I was a kid. Like favoring the use of は over わ in most sentence structure, or the changing of 四 from し to よん, 七 from しち to なな.
>>18013447Most people seem to believe that 70-80% is the sweet spot and higher than 80% is increasingly inefficient as well, based on a master's thesis from the 90s that supermemo cites. Can't tell you what that's worth.
>>18013454I was talking about furigana in generalbut you're not the only one who misunderstood me (>>18013407) so I'll take it as my fault
>>18013456>Duolingo seems to have japanese now under beta, has anyone given it a try? I've been trying to use it to relearn some of the basics. Incredibly basic and shit. Doesn't teach grammar. Just follow the DJT guide.>On the side, it's strange seeing that a lot seems to have changed in japanese from what I was taught, and actually retained, back when I was a kid. Like favoring the use of は over わ in most sentence structure, or the changing of 四 from し to よん, 七 from しち to なな.Are you joking right now? You'd rather assume the Japanese language has changed in a couple years, rather than that you had lacking knowledge?
>>18013456It sucks.The only languages Duolingo should be used for are incredibly basic ones that have piss easy grammar to get a grasp on, so basically only Spanish and Esperanto.At least it's not $200 like Rosetta Stone though.
>>18013290 Read pokemon it's fucking awesome and written for kids
I am having trouble with the last bubble here. Is he basically saying that his work finally got to be the first nominee for a manga prize? I am particularly confused by use of 残る.
>>18013472Pretty sure it's the same shitposter who posts about duolingo in every thread
>>18013490最終候補check this word again
>>18013484Are you referring to ポケットモンスターSPECIAL?
>>18013456In addition to what others have said, the time taken to translate sentences versus the benefit it gives is a really shitty trade-off. In addition to a general consensus that practice through forcibly translating sentences as if all Japanese vocab has a one-to-one correspondence, you could go through 10 cards in anki in the time it takes to type out one sentence.They also do really weird shit, like pointlessly avoiding the most basic kanji that they have already introduced to you (translate に and さん to two and three).I'm not going to look up history, but I can guarantee that your examples have been in use for well over thirty years. Also, the numbers haven't changed, different readings are preferred in different places.
>>18013500うんIt's fun and you get to practice seeing how a super badass 10 year old speaks. You can then try it out on nip 3dpd gyarus for the laughs.
>>18013495So I guess this means final candidate as in "last candiate to be accepted". I was making weird connection and thought final/last was referring to his work being the last candidate remaining -> winner.
>>18013507Alright, I'll give it a look. Thanks.
>>18013472>>18013502Well, the japanese I learned when I was a kid was over twenty years ago, so I suppose my teacher at the time hadn't picked up on the more modern changes.>>18013480>>18013472And I see what you mean about duolingo. I'll look into the DJT guide.
Why do you guys dislike all resources? I'm not referring to the little duolingo discussion you just had but in general whenever I ask about X resource you just say stick to the holy trinity of reading-anime-flashcards(anki) as if I don't already use those things. Not complaining I genuinely want to know why you think kanzen master/tobira/audio Japanese (or whatever it's called) wouldn't help you out once you're passed the grammar guide point and have moved on to content.
>>18013587Not just those 3 things either, I was just making an example.
>>18013587I don't think anyone would outright recommend against using resources like Tobira or JLPT books, most people here just prefer to acquire intermediate and advanced grammar knowledge passively.
>>18013587Too many resources beyond a certain point doesn't help anymore.
>>18012291Rescued some stuff from other anons.https://files.catbox.moe/jtnku1.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/imt99y.webmKeep at it boys, if you got time to be reading this you got time to go back to study and consume.
こんどいつにほんくる？どこいく？
>>18013644FMP is shit.
>>18013644What is that second webm anime?
>>18013735Full Metal Panic. And don't listen to the shit eater in the post above yours, it rules.
>>18013735>>18013691
>>18013741fumoffu should get some kind of immortalization for mankinds greatest works
I'm reading thru Tae Kim & he does say not to put too much thought into は vs. が, but I just wanted to make 1 thing clear, maybe I'm wrong スミスさんは、忙しい。 As for Smith-san, busy. スミスさんが忙しい。 Smith-san is the one that is busy.Can it be said that both these sentences can mean the same thing, but が emphasises things? Kinda like regular sentence vs. one with よ！ at the end?
>>18013815You should infer the finer details of は/が from reading, not textbooks
>>18013815This is the article people usually link when this question comes up. https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/Give it a read, even though it's long.
>>18013507>>18013484Any idea where to find decent scans of volumes 44 through 53?I found some for 44 through 52, but they're scans-for-ants tier (pic related). I can't find anything for volume 53.It's weird because all the scans up to volume 43 are really good quality and easily available.
>>18013846>really good qualityActually, looking through some more, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but they are all at least decent quality/resolution.
>>18013815Some guy went full autism some threads back debunking some of the crap in Tae Kim's guide. I'm sure he covered the は/が stuff. It'll be in one of these posts:>>17415655>>17415661>>17415664>>17415667
>>18013855b--but I already paid for the printed version...
>>18013855That may be the case, but there's no such thing as a perfect beginner's guide.
>>18013855Tae Kim's not strictly correct but it works well enough. I didn't like those parts of his grammar guide because it tries to communicate via English grammar analogues. I don't know any of the terminology relating to English grammar so I might as well stick to Japanese grammar terminology.
おにいちゃんおなかすいたシチューつくりすぎたんだけどべつにたべてほしかったわけじゃないんだからね
Do I NEED Tae Kim if I just plan on grinding out core 6k for awhile then go straight to reading?
>>18013102What are you studying on the 文部科学省? Do you want to work in japan?
>>18013988Of course not, Japanese about reading isolated words grammatical relation to one another after all.
>>18013988yeah because the grammar is gonna trip you up hard and just knowing 6000 newspaper words isn't gonna help if you're going to read manga/novels
>>18013988Think of all the grammar guides as wikis. You don't necessarily need to read any of them and you can probably pick up a few things from all the sentence examples in core2k/6k, but you probably won't really know enough. Tae Kim doesn't take too long to read/skim through anyway. Like a month at best if you actually immerse yourself through the whole thing. 1 week sounds more likely.There's also this.http://nihongo.monash.edu/kanaqadgtj.htmlThough sometimes they use their/they're/there wrong and its a little triggering.
>>18013988If tae kim is too long to hold your attention, at least blow through sakubi. It's not perfect, but it's way better than trying to read without any grammar knowledge at all. Also, you should start reading way before 6k words. If all you do is grind vocab, you'll burn out at worst and fail to gain confidence to actually read stuff at best.
>>18012291Why doesn't cornycopia have To Love-Ru Darkness?
>>18014030>>18014014My main problem is that I've never actually studied English grammar, seeing as I've never felt a particularly strong need to, I feel perfectly confident that I have a solid grasp on English grammar. As a result, I'm more or less functionally illiterate when it comes to the technical terms regarding sentence structure, so esoteric dissections of grammar make basically no sense. It's not that Tae Kim can't hold my attention, it just doesn't make sense half the time and I still have no fucking clue how は, が, に, and へ work.
>おまえに捕まえられんのか？Why is this being posed as a question? If he's mocking her saying that the pokemon won't be caught, then shouldn't the ending be 「のよ」 or just 「よ」?
What's the specific purpose of 出来る vs potential conjugations? What does 出来られる mean?
>>18014080>出来る vs potential conjugations出来る is the potential of する.>What does 出来られる mean"can be done" as opposed to merely "can do X".
>>18014084So why do you use 出来る with non-する verbs, or can verbs be する'd as well?
>>18014080できられるはいわないよ
>>18014102出来られるは言わないよ
>>18014116できられるはいわないけどでぎられるはいうかもしれない出切られるだね
>>18014060Learning another language can teach you about your native language. At any rate, go read sakubi's guide. It'll let you get your feet wet faster.
>>18014142>sakubi's guideit's just called sakubi reeee it's the name of the guide not the creators reeee
>>18014060If you don't understand a term, just look it up in a dictionary or google it if you need a more detailed explanation.Tae Kim wasn't born knowing what all these terms meant either. He didn't know them at some point, so he looked them up and learned them.You're talking as if there aren't tons of resources about this stuff available on the internet for free.
>>18014120出切られるは言うだぞ「できられるはいわないよ」が明白の虚偽
>>18014152>Sakubi, Yesterday's guide>Sakubi means yesterdayI see nothing wrong with Sakubi's guide
I never skip anki reps, but since I hit 10k words I can never be bothered to do any more. I really wanna go for 20k but its such a chore
>>18014252Just read books and stop humblebragging
>>18014165あのんのあたまにはポップコーンでもつまってるの
For early reading practice is it better to sit there and look up every single word I don't know, or just try to absorb as much as possible through context and reinforce the words I actually do know even if I miss some stuff?Tried the former strategy a few times but it feels a bit exhausting after a while, to the point where I'd rather just go back and do more flash cards or something.
>>18014070捕まえられる, not 捕まえられない
>>18014326Both have their pros and cons. Learning words is important. On the other hand most individual words are unimportant.I'd say just do whatever doesn't make you want to quit. Sometimes I have the energy to pick up a pad to write down words to look up later. Other times I just keep reading.
>>18014326Make sure you're studying smarter, not harder. There are a lot of lookup methods that are simple and fast, like text hookers and ocr and jisho. What're you reading? Manga?
>>18014217>昨日, meaning "yesterday", is normally read as きのう, not さくび. But since it's this guide's name, it can have a reading different than the normal word spelled the same way. Watch out for reading variation when you start reading, or you'll be super confused.
>>18014435I was trying some moege with a text hooker, but even if lookup was relatively fast I still felt like I was spending more time looking at my text hooker and hovering over words than I was actually looking at the game, and it took me like 30 minutes just to get through some relatively short dialogue with little actually happening, just kind of feels discouraging after a while.Maybe I'm just a bit too early for this kind of reading but still think it might have been better if I'd just stumbled through it and not worried so much about 100% comprehending every single line.
おにいちゃんいっしょにねよ
A character has received a really nice gift and he's not sure if he should take it, then he says "俺お前時何もしてなくね！？". Would the English equivalent be something like "I've done nothing to deserve it from you"? I'm thrown off by the use of 時 and the question mark at the end.
>>18014633いやだ妹さん寝返りしすぎる
>>18012291揃！貴様がついていながら このありさまは何だ！>Soroi! How could you stand there and allow this to happen?!i dont get anything about this. exept:ありさまstate, condition
>>18012291>cornucopia
How long did it take you guys to fully memorize all the kanji?
>>18014870Define "fully memorize" and define "all the kanji"
>>18014738lit.: What is this state even though you are attached to (whatever the state applies to)?-> What is this state even though you are here next to the state?-> What is going on here even though you are here?-> Why did this happen even though you are here?-> How could you stand there and allow this to happen?-> What the fuck are you doing, Soroi, you fucking asshole
>>18014870this is the definie and universonal correct answer to your question:>You can’t “learn” Kanji!!>http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/
Decided today to try again after having abandoned my studies for around 7 months after I'd learned 2500 or so words. Hopefully getting back to where I was won't take too long...
>>18014637"に"を "じ(時)"に typoしたとか？
>>18014949It turns out that there was a small typo, sorry. The full sentence (triple-checked this time) is "俺お前ん時何もしてなくね！？". I'm an idiot though because I've seen ん shortened down plenty of times when reading and, after looking at my notes, I'm not sure which is the most applicable here.
>>18014870I'll tell you when I pass 漢検1級
>>18014870You think you can LEARN ALL the Kanji?
