#indiewebcamp

2016-06-03

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aaronpk huh. i blame tito
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aaronpk it said i have to write the email in markdown. it didn't say it was going to send the markdown as the text/plain part of the email
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aaronpk the preview only showed it to me as html
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tantek well if markdown adhered to its principles it would work *just fine* as the text/plain part
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tantek this is why we have to replace markdown
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aaronpk well I did put a <br> in the markdown
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tantek lol
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aaronpk but only because when i had just a newline, it put it on the same line above
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aaronpk did not know about the doublespace thing
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tantek double linebreak?
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aaronpk no, " " at the end of the line creates a single linebreak instead of paragraph break
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tantek wow that's like real obvious and memorable. not.
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tantek as if it's hard to translate linebreak to br, and double linebreak to p (or at least double br)
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aaronpk wait does that mean my hyperlinks came through in markdown format too?
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tantek lol
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tantek this just gets better and better
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aaronpk cause i would have written those differently for a plaintext part
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tantek is abstracting aaronpk's email into the wiki
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tantek every time you say "would have written those differently for a plaintext part" for markdown text, then markdown has failed
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colintedford The linebreak thing is great if you like to hard-wrap your text files
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colintedford (which I don't)
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tantek that's a decent point
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colintedford One of the intentions in markdown is to be able to do that without messing up the output
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tantek will think about that
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aaronpk it's definitely a trade-off
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colintedford Personally I'd prefer linebreak=br but I guess it's a matter of taste
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tantek would compromise with treating single line-breaks after 70 chars as hard-wrapping for text files. line-break before 70 chars would be treated as meaningful
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colintedford & doesn't come up often for me
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colintedford linebreak cite: https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#p
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tantek.com edited /message-before-iwc (+1049) "expand Two Days Before and abstract from IWS email aaronpk wrote" (view diff)
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Loqi [indieweb] "pfefferle on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] Might be helpful to add at least some description"" by pfefferle https://wordpress.org/support/topic/might-be-helpful-to-add-at-least-some-description#post-8480648
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@lexoyo RT @aaronpk Just picked up the badges for IndieWeb Summit! Still a few spots left to register! http://2016.indieweb.org https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/738455209035210752/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DHcquUwwTk)
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tantek everyone make it into Portland ok?
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@WordPressTTT New #WPorgSupport > https://wordpress.org/support/topic/might-be-helpful-to-add-at-least-some-description#post-8480648 > pfefferle on "[Plugin: IndieWeb] Might be helpful to add at least some description" (twtr.io/1DHdrFAGGML)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Anyone at #HHconnect ever heard about #indieweb? If you're interested to talk about it (I'm just a participants, not inventor or developper) I'm available anytime" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/anyone-at-hhconnect-ever-heard-about-indieweb-if-youre-interested
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KevinMarks_ Email linebreaks damage Markdown in github
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KevinMarks_ Especially with quoted lines with >
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tantek.com edited /markdown (+803) "/* Criticism */ ugly enough to consider separate text plain" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk,rhiaro,GWG,gRegor,kylewm,shaners,benwerd,iwontsignuphere hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks Advice for the accidental community manager from @jessamyn https://coralproject.net/advice-for-the-accidental-community-manager/ #tummel #indieweb (twtr.io/1DHfYRF0e2Q)
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kylewm.com edited /2016/Leaders (+18) "/* generations */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /2016/Leaders (+49) "/* rename to indieweb */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /2016/Leaders (+18) "/* homepage */" (view diff)
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tantek hello julieannenoying
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@dangillmor RT @kevinmarks Advice for the accidental community manager from @jessamyn https://coralproject.net/advice-for-the-accidental-community-manager/ #tummel #indieweb (twtr.io/1DHgQYC7ewp)
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@BeneficialMarke RT @kevinmarks Advice for the accidental community manager from @jessamyn https://coralproject.net/advice-for-the-accidental-community-manager/ #tummel #indieweb (twtr.io/1DHgRaFjSjG)
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@betsythedevine RT @kevinmarks Advice for the accidental community manager from @jessamyn https://coralproject.net/advice-for-the-accidental-community-manager/ #tummel #indieweb (twtr.io/1DHgUmN6t9L)
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tantek let's try again: @julieannenoying
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@lionzan @fab_biscotti many platform are cropping up to counter that, @indiewebcamp is a "platform agnostic platform" http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHi5HvzoLG)
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@kevinmarks RT @lionzan @fab_biscotti many platform are cropping up to counter that, @indiewebcamp is a "platform agnostic platform" http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHixpsoodQ)
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petermolnar https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11828253 < some lines of this could be in the Why? wiki page
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Salt aaronpk, yeah the links did come through as md, it is really nice
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Salt I think I will be picking up the habit...
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@dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHjHi25H0o)
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@mehditek RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHjKkyg8Z4)
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@BeneficialMarke RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHjfVhLwp4)
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@gerdstodiek RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHjvCr2FAw)
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petermolnar thread to read, maybe with bits for us to learn (eg. users seem to like ephemeral posts): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11822484
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Loqi [indieweb] "going to Decentralized Web Summit 2016-06-08.
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tantek show rather than tell, as it were
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petermolnar I hope that rsvp will catch people's attention on the summit
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petermolnar (I also hope there will be recording available later of the talks)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked IndieWeb Summit 2016 and what I hope to accomplish attending remotely." by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/liked-indieweb-summit-2016-and-what-i-hope-to-accomplish
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb Q: If I send a status tweet to Twitter via Bridgy, do I need to include a link back to my site to see replies there?" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14121-2/
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Loqi [indieweb] "8 day week of:
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tantek math is hard, let's do updates
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Salt tantek, decentralized web summit sounds cool, doubt I will make it, but have fun!
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tantek Salt, we'll see if I'm not too tired by then or not
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Salt hehhe
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Salt I'm going to be cooking for a hacker campout all next week, may have to leave IWS a bit early, will have to see
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@indiewebcamp RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHp2H4diLY)
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@jcbsnd RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHpHoE11_w)
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@RikMende RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHqz2CRsmw)
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@wneuheisel RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHsSoFEK5b)
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@BizGiftsco @IndieWebCampUK Let me help you Build your Business by sourcing the best Business Gifts http://www.business-gifts.co/business-gifts-catalog/ https://twitter.com/BizGiftsco/status/645979409258840064/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DHsy7t8RfG)
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@bumbaugh RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHugJkMdzD)
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@circa1977 RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DHzb_J7_Q0)
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Loqi [indieweb] "vorgestern habe ich bemerkt, dass der theawl.com-RSS-feed jetzt auch wieder volltext anzeigt — nachdem theawl.com kürzlich zu medium.com migriert ist, funktionierte das für eine weile nicht. heute lese ich in der ankündigung, dass superfeedr.com von medium gekauft wurde, dass das jetzt auch für alle alle medium-nutzer funktioniert. das ist eine gute nachricht. ob es eine gute nachricht ist, dass superfeedr von medium aufgekauft wurfe weiss ich nocht nicht. es ist aber wohl so, dass in letzter zeit einige leute die dem offenen netz und dem indieweb nahestehen, zu medium gegangen sind, in festanstellung.
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Loqi [indieweb] "medium jetzt mit volltext-RSS" by [email protected] (felix schwenzel) http://wirres.net/article/articleview/9956/1/0/
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@diplix RT @benwerd Superfeedr, and the awesome Julien Genestoux, have joined Medium. Exciting! https://medium.com/superfeedr-thoughts/medium-acquires-superfeedr-540fdfb04ec7#.3y32www6g #indieweb (twtr.io/1DJ135t9adf)
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@egoexpress RT @jkphl Next Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg on June 8th, 17:30 @tollwerk. Just drop by! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-08-homebrew-website-club #indieweb (twtr.io/1DJ2kj49Y14)
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@jimpick Riding in style to the #indieweb summit https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/738712619062693888/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DJ6F83DxBU)
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[jimpick] Haha, that really filled up the channel
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[jimpick] (On Slack anyways)
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@kunimiya 私は #WebMention に #関心表明します (twtr.io/1DJALo0hnxt)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#indieweb Q: If I send a status tweet to Twitter via Bridgy, do I need to include a link back to my site to see replies there?" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14123-2/
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@TechLifeWeb #indieweb Q: If I send a status tweet to Twitter via Bridgy, do I need to include a link back to my site to see… http://techlifeweb.com/?p=14123 (twtr.io/1DJCSfaTCVt)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I don&#8217;t think my conditional Bridgy publish link is working right. #indieweb" by Scott Kingery http://techlifeweb.com/14125-2/
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@TechLifeWeb I don’t think my conditional Bridgy publish link is working right. #indieweb (http://techlifeweb.com/?p=14125) (twtr.io/1DJDH0VhP8o)
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@R_Serling_Rules RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DJGxahXX7j)
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@jkphl @NamelessCoder Building my own kind of framework, #indieweb related, sort of very opinionated personal micro CMS https://github.com/apparat (twtr.io/1DJHB8mEN_h)
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@jkphl @NamelessCoder me, w/ a strong #indieweb background & some intentional constraints https://github.com/apparat/apparat/blob/master/doc/CONCEPT.md It's not so much about efficiency (twtr.io/1DJKACsn3fo)
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@jkphl @NamelessCoder Yes! Though CMIS seems more powerful at a first glance. But: #indieweb principle no. 3 ... ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DJKXp6NWQ1)
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sandro wonders what the *indoor* weather will be like at IWC tomorrow.... Sometimes when it's hot outside, places still super air-condition the inside.
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kylewm I predict between 65 and 75 indoors 😃
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 39 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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sandro kylewm, in other words, wear layers. :)
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GWG I love super AC
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 7 hours, 41 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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GWG Morning
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gRegor-mobile Anybody around downtown PDX and want to meet up? GWG and I are here and have time to kill.
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Salt is still in Seattle, will be making the trek as soon as my ride is ready (hopefully in time for the pre-meet and greet)
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[jimpick] My train gets in at 3:05. I could meet up after I drop my bags at the Marriot
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kylewm gregorlove: just leaving the airport... I think I'm still about an hour from downtown
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aaronpk nice! by train?
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 27 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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kylewm aaronpk, yep train
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GWG gRegor-mobile and I are camped out in the study of the hotel.
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gRegorLove We're hanging out @ Marriott second floor until the Leaders Summit
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gRegorLove Salt: Did I see you might need a ride back to Seattle?
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aaronpk i shoulda included some nearby coffee shops in my email last night :)
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Loqi +1
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gRegorLove This works great. Nice, comfy workspace
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gRegorLove just got last night's email
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gRegorLove s/got/reading/
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Loqi gRegorLove meant to say: just reading last night's email
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aaronpk catering order for sunday confirmed!
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aaronpk anyone have a car and wouldn't mind being on pickup duty?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Attending IndieWeb Summit 2016" by David Shanske https://david.shanske.com/2016/06/03/indieweb-2016/
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Salt gRegorLove, ditto :P
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Salt so if you find extra seats, do let me know plox!
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gRegorLove Salt: I was asking because I'm driving to Bellingham
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tantek now where did I capture that event editing UI
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Salt gRegorLove, wait what?
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gRegorLove I was asking if you needed a ride. :)
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Salt oooh
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Salt thought you were saying the other way around
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gRegorLove Planning to leave Sunday after demos.
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Salt a ride would be nice, when are you leaving?
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Salt cool
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gRegorLove brb
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Salt gRegorLove, yeah, I will definitely take you up on that IF I can't coordinate going directly to Orcas on Sunday
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tantek a-ha https://indiewebcamp.com/create#Facebook_Events
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tantek ah, and https://indiewebcamp.com/edit#Facebook_Events
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@AlexSchleber @kyledrake btw I take it I'll be seeing you at the Indieweb thing this weekend? (twtr.io/1DJZFXUYvAw)
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Loqi [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Tantek.com * uploaded "[[File:2016-06-03-facebook-event-rename-error.png]]"
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tantek just can't stop wiki-ing when I find silos doing dumb things
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tantek hey everyone we got a request for kid related or child care (last minute, like today) for IndieWeb Summit (but after we sold out) so I've added that to the list of items to plan for before an IndieWebCamp. Feel free add more support etc.: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps#Before
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kylewm Scott hanselman asked about that too, I didn't give a very useful answer
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tantek wow 23 indie RSVPs
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tantek kylewm - hmm definitely feel free to share anything like that!
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tantek good to capture requests / needs so we can adapt and accomodate better in the future
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gRegorLove I think GWG just did the ti.to registration, so if aaronpk adjusted the amount available last night, there might still be 1 rsvp spot available
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aaronpk We had someone else sign up last minute too so it's totally full!
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tantek nope we sold out
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tantek posted it
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kylewm Kyle Drake is not coming this weekend right? (Despite that tweet)
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tantek which tweet?
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tantek kylewm: feel free to add a comment to https://www.facebook.com/events/275011629503233/permalink/289758028028593/ as well
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kylewm tantek: http://twtr.io/1DJZFXUYvAw
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: The 6th annual IndieWeb Summit has just [last night] sold out! Almost half indie RSVPs: http://2016.indieweb.org/#rsvps (ttk.me t4h_2) (twtr.io/1DJbXnHAn2Q)
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kylewm Gregorlove where are you guys at now?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Excited for a SOLD OUT IndieWeb Summit!
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GWG kylewm: We're at the Marriott
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gRegorLove kylewm: Marriott in our room
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: Excited for a SOLD OUT IndieWeb Summit! Join the waitlist http://2016.indieweb.org/#register for any spots that open up. (ttk.me t4ha3) (twtr.io/1DJbu0xm9qx)
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tantek I blame aaronpk for making me post on my own site before (re)tweeting things from @indiewebcamp :P
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gRegorLove And hey, it's already 11:24. So I guess heading to Garden Bar in a bit
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gRegorLove tantek: I thought that was just second nature for you at this point :)
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kylewm Ohh i was looking for you in the lobby
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gRegorLove Oh, oops!
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gRegorLove Still there?
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GWG kylewm: We were there, however they got our 2nd room ready after yesterday's snafu, so we went up to put stuff away
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gRegorLove Could meet you in a bit and walk over
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kylewm That sounds good. I'm chilling outside the front door now
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kylewm Take your time though
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gRegorLove kylewm: there's seating on the second floor or in the lobby. Be our guest :)
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kylewm Also lol at aaronpk saying he should have provided a list of coffee shops, I think I can see four from where I'm standing
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gRegorLove Haha, I thought similarly. GWG and I were talking about breakfast options and I said I'm sure we could throw a stone and hit several
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kylewm On 2nd floor now
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kylewm Opening laptop so there's really no rush
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gRegorLove kylewm: Be down shortly
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KevinMarks1 check foursquare too
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KevinMarks1 the sold out status isn't counting me as in person?
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kylewm KevinMarks1: did you get a ti.to ticket?
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aaronpk I removed your ticket
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KevinMarks1 I did, yes
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KevinMarks1 ah good, thanks
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KevinMarks1 hm, that 'connecting... connecting to the chat room...' toast keeps coming back
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Jeena how do I connect to https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders remote?
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KevinMarks1 I'd like to know that too
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aaronpk I'll post a hangouts link
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aaronpk were getting lunch right now so that will bet set up at 1
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Jeena ah I need to install some binary blob plugin for that first as far as I remember
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Jeena great, so I have time to install it
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@kevinmarks @Paul_Kinlan @Lady_Ada_King have a look at http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions for how to do this in an indie friendly way (twtr.io/1DJikP6F3pN)
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ben_thatmustbeme new iconset for mobilepub
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ben_thatmustbeme now i just need a new logo
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ben_thatmustbeme well i need a lot more
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ben_thatmustbeme but it looks a bit nicer at least
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@kevinmarks @Paul_Kinlan @Lady_Ada_King and http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config for the other half of this - you should remote attend indie web summit (twtr.io/1DJiw2uVK8o)
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@kevinmarks @Paul_Kinlan @Lady_Ada_King our chatroom is always open: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03 (twtr.io/1DJjn1bKVd8)
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, doesn't catch #indiewebsummit
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ben_thatmustbeme loqi's twitter feed that is
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@BizXLR @indiewebcamp Looking for SaaS API (private label, fully managed cloud hosted) for- -Classified ads, various diversified -Marketplace. #API (twtr.io/1DJkxB5bTJQ)
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KevinMarks1 are you going to change mobilepub fonts?
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ben_thatmustbeme i have not yet, but i could
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ben_thatmustbeme You have suggestions?
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ben_thatmustbeme it does look a little out of place with the new logos
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ben_thatmustbeme also, aaronpk, still no link for /2016/Leaders ?
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KevinMarks1 my usual incantation is font-family: "Gill Sans", Roboto,Verdana, sans-serif;
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KevinMarks1 ROboto is good for android
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KevinMarks1 also, the text entry box is a bit tiny
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ben_thatmustbeme for Category, yeah, true
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KevinMarks1 you're welcome to copy the note length countdown from noterlive (and the twitter preview if you like)
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KevinMarks1 category doesn't convert to tags on known, but that may be a Known thing
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ben_thatmustbeme i know there is an option for that in cassis, i have it on my site
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm thinking of moving more toward the "just add whatever fields"
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miklb maybe system fonts?
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ben_thatmustbeme or at least have settings let you decide what defaults are
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ben_thatmustbeme not sure yet
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KevinMarks1 roboto is system font
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KevinMarks1 there's a medium post on getting system fonts: https://medium.com/designing-medium/system-shock-6b1dc6d6596f#.43nnilyky
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, KevinMarks, it might be because i think i send category as a single field
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ben_thatmustbeme rather than as []
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ben_thatmustbeme let me check on that
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miklb -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', 'Roboto', 'Oxygen', 'Ubuntu', 'Cantarell', 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neu', Arial, sans-serif !default;
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miklb ignore the !default, that's from my Sass variable
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indiewebcamp leaders' summit hangout URL https://hangouts.google.com/call/zcltuvk53bgfdmptwy3xxj3fkme
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Jeena So I'm online too now.
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aaronpk Jeena: can you see/hear us?
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[benatwork] Afternoon benwerd
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Jeena yes
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aaronpk great
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benwerd lo, benatwork
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 5/12 at 12:58pm: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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kylewm good, that's not confusing benwerd
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: Since quiet writing hour has been growing at HWC SF, I've updated the HWC description put it on more equal footing, and emphasized the IndieWeb demos more (which have gotten good feedback) Thoughts? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-01-homebrew-website-club#What http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-26/line/1464277725411
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 week ago: your early RSVP posts appear to have broken, i.e. lack p-rsvp markup now, e.g. http://werd.io/view/51ca1213bed7de1e7763d71f http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-27/line/1464375307438
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 5/30 at 4:20pm: do you have any kind of native comment notification / approval dashboard? wondering how (numerous) spam native comments make it through e.g. http://werd.io/view/51c21299bed7de845e3302e4 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-30/line/1464650412622
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 33 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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Jeena its sounds a bit compressed but good enough
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benwerd oh ffs
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jkphl sound is not too good ...
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Loqi jkphl: [shaners] left you a message on 2/12 at 8:42am: There’s a new iteration of the logo redesign. Wanna take a look and see if it meets your approval? (Since you commented on the previous iteration.) /logo http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-02-12/line/1455295364728
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Loqi jkphl: tantek left you a message on 5/12 at 12:58pm: are you coming to the Leaders Summit? Can you RSVP here accordingly? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#RSVP http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-05-12/line/1463083099732
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Jeena I can talk here on the chat itstead
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KevinMarks1 this chat is a better
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kylewm we are introducing the person to our rights, which is awkward so far
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rhiaro lol
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 37 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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KevinMarks1 audio is a bit crackly
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KevinMarks1 well not crackly so much as codec distorted - flangy
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benwerd starting as we mean to go on #awkwardness #terriblejokes
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Jeena I think that is normal, at least we had it like that when I worked in portland and we used hangouts
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benwerd This is the most realistic text-to-speech bot ever
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Jeena Nice t-shirt aaronpk I think mine arrived today too, just need to get it
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ben_thatmustbeme dang, really wish i was in that room right now
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have your business card here.
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, so thats almost like i'm there
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Jeena hehe
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Loqi hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme i should have given you a bunch
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ben_thatmustbeme i have tons of them
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 2pm. http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-03.html
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, i see it
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GWG aaronpk is 'awesome', we are told.
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tantek who do we have remote
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KevinMarks1 now we lost audio
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Jeena no sound ^^
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ben_thatmustbeme ditto
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benwerd let us know when the sound returns
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KevinMarks1 I think the distortion was a harbinger of the sound dying
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KevinMarks1 replug the usb?
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ben_thatmustbeme have you tried turning it off and on again
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, i hear now
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jkphl yes
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ben_thatmustbeme i just heard that
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, that wasn't the room
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ben_thatmustbeme i hear kevin and someone else... i don't have a mic
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KevinMarks1 still no sound
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Jeena it's me you hear
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jkphl i don't have a mic either, but i hear jeena (and his chair) ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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KevinMarks1 i'm toggling my external mic mute
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Jeena om mine is mute too now
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd: does micropub category[] map to tags in Known?
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KevinMarks1 aaronpk: can you check the mic?
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indiewebcamp im fiddling with it
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indiewebcamp still nothing?
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benwerd ben_thatmustbeme: honestly I'd have to check. It works in the other direction
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Jeena nope
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, okay
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Jeena ah now!
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jkphl but even worse quality than before :/
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KevinMarks1 even more flangy
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Jeena plug in a ethernet cable ;)
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gRegorLove cdo++
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Loqi cdo has 1 karma
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KevinMarks1 distorted enough to be incomprehensible
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KevinMarks1 I think it's USB lag
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KevinMarks1 aaronpk: can you disconnect adn call in again? this is useless
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aaronpk k
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indiewebcamp https://hangouts.google.com/call/wcokzuywwzcivbmulzlesiexpee
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GWG It isn't USB. He's using bluetooth
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indiewebcamp better?
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ben_thatmustbeme still far too choppy
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KevinMarks1 no. Do you have a different mic?
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indiewebcamp no but i have a differnt computer
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Jeena sadly net really, I guess the internet is too slow, it souds like it is compresst or something
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Jeena but the video is really good
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KevinMarks1 bluetooth is like USB but with radio to make it worse
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GWG I have a USB microphone I'll bring tomorrow
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KevinMarks1 I think it is the mic connection
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KevinMarks1 now we can hear bear typing
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bear oops - let me switch microphones
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Jeena he has a good mic :D
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bear how is this?
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aaronpk https://hangouts.google.com/call/axc2qsjvbfa3nk4rr3xpwiyoyee
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@jkphl Trying to work while remotely attending #IndieWeb Leaders (+watching @iwontsignuphere being on spot).Have fun y'all! https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/738833822092038144/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DJpYw8poNQ)
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Jeena now its better
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KevinMarks1 no more distortion, just a bit roomy now
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KevinMarks1 and a small amount of hum
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indiewebcamp well there's a giant hum here
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GWG Hum
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aaronpk now i'm me again
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tantek Topic: event registration
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tantek aaronpk: is on it
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#event_registration
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tantek timebox 15 min
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tantek aaronpk: we want to encourage people to have their own site
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tantek aaronpk: but we don't want to deal with the inessential weirdness of mediawiki editing
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tantek aaronpk: also people don't understand that editing a wiki can be registering for an event
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tantek aaronpk: tried this year, make an event page, normal looking tickets, tickets cost $5
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tantek ... if you can rsvp from your own site, you can get a free ticket
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tantek aaronpk: I can do this moving forward
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Jeena subdomains could work perhaps
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tantek aaronpk: I want the event page to pull from the wiki
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tantek aaronpk: so we only have one place to edit the content
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Loqi gives tantek the event page to pull from the wiki
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KevinMarks1 xoxo had ribbons like that too
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Jeena especially because you give money
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@kevinmarks RT @dangillmor The Indie Web movement -- aimed at freeing us from centralized control -- is making progress. Principles: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twtr.io/1DJqWs38MYo)
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Jeena could it be visible if you are logged in into that site via IndieAuth?
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@heathr RT @kevinmarks Advice for the accidental community manager from @jessamyn https://coralproject.net/advice-for-the-accidental-community-manager/ #tummel #indieweb (twtr.io/1DJqgzWzM68)
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gRegorLove aaronpk: we could have webmention rsvps pushed into ti.to registration if all the needed info is on your site
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gRegorLove kylewm: email notifications via ti.to registration were helpful this year, made it seem more official
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tantek goal: have Indie RSVP work without any need to use Tito (based on lots of people tried to do that)
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bear webmention response to tito would enable a discount code
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tantek rhiaro: for me it's a higher barrier to have to pull out my credit card
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tantek kylewm: this is the best (event site) it's been
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tantek aaronpk: three issues with trying to only use indie RSVP
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tantek aaronpk: 1. in order to email you receipt / updates / whatever you would need to put your email in the h-card on your RSVP (which maybe 2 people do today)
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bear my email is on my contact page but I didn't register :/
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ben_thatmustbeme my email is on my contact page (not linked anywhere)
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tantek possibly an ephemerality use-case, publish your email for only 24 hours as part of your h-card in your RSVP so that event page can get it
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KevinMarks1 you could webmention their receipt
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[shaners] proposal: everyone signs up thru ti.to. then if you indie-rsvp, we hand you a $5 bill at the event.
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[shaners] objection: giving credit card info to a 3rd party signs is a barrier / objection to some people.
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Loqi [shaners]: tantek left you a message 13 hours, 18 minutes ago: hey IWS/IWC/HWC Leaders - could you +1/0/-1 the proposed sessions so we can do some pre-sorting? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#Session_Ideas http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-03/line/1464940086504
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Jeena my email is on my about page but not in the rsvp
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tantek aaronpk: 2. we can't expect everyone to receive homepage webmention as the alternative to receiving email updates
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tantek aaronpk: 2a. or the RSVP itself may not necessarily receive webmentions as a way of being notified
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KevinMarks1 if you webmention my known.kevinmarks.com page, known emails me,
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[shaners] proposal: receive a webmention as the “email confirmation”
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[shaners] objection: not everyone who sends, also receives webmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme is jelly of those shirts
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Jeena many have bigger hcards on the homepage/about page than within a rsvp
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bear aaronpk isn't this rsvp webmention email thing something that webmention.io can solve?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: needs to do another run of those :P
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Jeena haha
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aaronpk having multiple webmention services could definitely help with that
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tantek aaronpk: guest list on the wiki is an issue
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tantek aaronpk: want to generate it automatically from tito
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gRegorLove aaronpk: archive the registrations on the wiki but don't require editing the wiki to register
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@benwerd Totally just tried to save highlights to this #indieweb post (which is vital reading). https://kylewm.com/2016/05/bridging-the-indieweb-generation-gap (twtr.io/1DJruazHxYq)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Totally just tried to save highlights to this #indieweb post (which is vital reading). https://kylewm.com/2016/05/bridging-the-indieweb-generation-gap" by Ben Werdmüller http://werd.io/2016/totally-just-tried-to-save-highlights-to-this-indieweb-post
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gRegorLove ... the wiki rsvp archive can be generated from the ti.to registrations.
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks1: I updated mobilepub with some font and spacing changes, let me know what you think of those
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gRegorLove +1 to shaners proposal
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tantek I want to still have a way for people to express what projects they're working on
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tantek aaronpk: make those optional tito fields as part of building your profile (what projects you're working on , other profiles)
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tantek aaronpk: automtically put those onto the wiki
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Jeena I'm not sure they can hear you bear
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bear can they even hear remote folks?
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tantek aaronpk: as the tickets come in
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[shaners] we can’t hear any remote audio
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GWG But if you type it...
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GWG Someone will say it
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bear if project page info is important then the registration should link to their wiki pages
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tantek aaronpk: and then people can edit the wiki to update it
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bear so someone's registration for an event should become the central location for webmentinos, info, etc for that person
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tantek perhaps for AV let's add that as Best Practices
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tantek past: Youtube broadcast and talky.io
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GWG Registration and Salmentions. Nothing much to be said now.
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bear aaronpk my thought is to make events.indieweb.com support /user pages
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aaronpk interesting
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bear purely as a way to store per person event info that can be automated (webmention, comments, rsvps)
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tantek topic: growing
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kylewm benwerd: we've done a lot of individual outreach; should we start doing outreach to groups that have thought about this issues a lot ... e.g. Code 2040
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kylewm shaners: my goal for IWC LA is to have 100 attendees, going to require a lot of outreach, create new challenges
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KevinMarks1 that does look better ben, yes.
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kylewm outreach to groups like RailsBridge and PyLadies and node something or GirlsWhoCode
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bear with that level of a target goal we (IMO) need to have moved out of the generation 0 to at least generation 1
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Jeena On the last HWC I was asked if I do something to get those who work together with me and are from India to get them to come to a HWC. The idea the woman had was that when they get hoocked in Sweden and then go back to India (because they're mostly working for 6 months) they would initiate it there, like I was in Portland last year and started the HWC in Sweden.
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KevinMarks1 having andi reach out in SF really helped
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kylewm gwg: could we do some more video demonstrations like the SWAT0 video or the Squarespace parody
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KevinMarks1 can we cross-connect with waffle,js donut.js etc?
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kylewm what are those Kevinmarks1?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "those Kevinmarks1" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mr
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bear that's why I mention gen 1 issues -- we don't have install stories for new people on different platforms
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kylewm (i thought wafflejs was a kanban thing)
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aaronpk https://wafflejs.club
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk i meant http://donutjs.club/
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KevinMarks1 they're monthly JS and carbs meetups
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh fixed it
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KevinMarks1 https://wafflejs.com/
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KevinMarks1 https://wafflejs.com/speakers
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KevinMarks1 http://donutjs.club/speak/
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KevinMarks1 what is waffle.js?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "waffle.js" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Ms
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[chrisaldrich] Shaners: The local LA Drupal group has a small but concrete DrupalChicks subgroup ; There's also an LA chapter of Girl Develop It: http://gdila.org/
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KevinMarks1 waffle.js is a monthly meetup centered around programming, waffles, and karaoke in SF that you can sign up to speak at https://wafflejs.com/speakers
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Loqi ok
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Loqi Don’t be shy, develop it!
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benwerd both of those look really fun
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tantek aaronpk: in all the Germany IndieWebCamps, all the social stuff was a big draw
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kylewm thx Kevin (I was thinking of waffle\.io)
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KevinMarks1 waffle.js is usually in phase with HWC
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tantek which resulted in almost like a single track
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tantek until the most recent one
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KevinMarks1 what is donutjs?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "donutjs" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mt
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KevinMarks1 donutjs is A fun night of code and donuts in Portland once a month - sign up to speak at http://donutjs.club/speak/
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[chrisaldrich] I've got a list of web-centric groups in LA including various WordPress, Drupal, Linux, php, and related meet up groups that might help the LA camp get to 100, but it'll take some pushing to get it to happen. I will say that there is a segment of very pro-community people here in "Silicon Beach" we ought to be able to tap into.
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Loqi ok
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@RikMende RT @indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-03.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/738841446804033536/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DJtmFZpSy8)
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I may try to come out. We could try some WordPress work.
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tantek aaronpk: maybe we should include an explicit intro track in the program up front for IndieWebCamps
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tantek GWG: there's a tension between exploratory sessions, and who will help teach new folks?
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bear new to indieweb tutorial/sprint day
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[chrisaldrich] WordCamp LA is on July 9-10 at UC Irvine; their schedule is technically closed, but I'm going to try to do something there to help intro the IndieWeb to that group of 250+
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kylewm shaners: would could have an explicit, optional tutorial day before or after the two day event
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kylewm s/would/we
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bear why does this have to be the same conference as IWC
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: shaners: we could have an explicit, optional tutorial day before or after the two day event
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bear why not have a series of lead-on events
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[chrisaldrich] DrupalCamp LA is usually about 400+ in late July/ early August and I'll do a session there as well when it comes around to do some outreach.
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Jeena I also liked this install-fest idea
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bear before we can seriously entertain this concept then we will need to have some 1/2 tutorials/packages that will allow easy wins
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[chrisaldrich] It doesn't seem very IndieWebbish at heart, but the social network effect of having a presence on MeetUp.com may be helpful in both local/global outreach efforts...
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KevinMarks1 wordcamp outreach is a very good idea
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Jeena I made one for Gothenburg http://www.meetup.com/IndieWebCamp-Goteborg/
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KevinMarks1 ooh, that is an idea
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bear we don't have an onramp - we are still on the 2 lane dirt road next to the highway
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KevinMarks1 so many "learn to code" tutorials are 'build your own blog'
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KevinMarks1 so fork them to be indieweb friendly
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[chrisaldrich] A "tutorial" day sounds more inviting and productive than a "sprint" day... Sprint to me has always had a connotation of "you need to have a reasonable level of pre-knowledge to accomplish anything" to me.
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[chrisaldrich] There are a seeming lot of MOOCs (coursera, edX, et al.) that do intro basic html/php stuff that we might "infect" with IndieWeb principles. The issue is to catch the organizers/teachers at the top to help do the preliminary introductions. I know the Linux Foundation does something like this too...
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jkphl ^ This is basically what I'm trying to do at the IndieWeb Hack Day in Nuremberg which is part of the openSUSE (Linux) conference ...
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bear getting people used to what the blocks are and what their bootstrap options are -- that's the crucial part
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[chrisaldrich] Is anyone in the IndieWeb Camp "hiring" students for Google's Summer of Code (this year or next?); that could be an interesting way to not only help bring in new people, but get some useful code into the community.
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[chrisaldrich] I meant to ask, is anyone streaming video/audio out of Portland right now for the travel restricted? I know I'm missing a lot by not being able to get out this weekend....
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aaronpk we are attempting to stream it yes
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aaronpk URL is a bit higher up in the logs
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[chrisaldrich] thanks, I'll track it down...
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bear https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/axc2qsjvbfa3nk4rr3xpwiyoyee
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: We are trying to.
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[chrisaldrich] thanks bear!
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KevinMarks1 i think that was chris bfore he muted
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[chrisaldrich] Sorry kids; think I'm sorted now
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[chrisaldrich] We seem to have a reasonable base of generation 1, it could help if we do individual outreach to a gen 2 seed group of tech forward journalists to help spread out the word....
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tantek topic: travel budget for diverse attendees
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KevinMarks1 this talk has been recommended - not watched it https://twitter.com/NaomiCeder/status/738174054675283968
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@NaomiCeder My @pycon talk on "Anti-patterns for Diversity" is not online. Wow, that was fast! #pycon2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1LgSg3pmo (twtr.io/1DEtrpp8YCo)
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tantek we did use it all, raised about ~1125
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tantek didn't seem we got as much of a response as we could have gotten
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KevinMarks1 also https://twitter.com/jessicamckellar/status/737299461563502595
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@jessicamckellar Hello from your @PyCon Diversity Chair. % PyCon talks by women: (2011: 1%), (2012: 7%), (2013: 15%), (2014/15: 33%), (2016: 40%). #pycon2016 (twtr.io/1D9gSFsjMpv)
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bear agree - the pycon community has solved this issue very well
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tantek Kevinmarks - can you provide specifics of *things that have worked*
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tantek we're trying to focus on: 1. recognize efforts that have worked to improve diversity, 2. repeat and amplify them
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[shaners] chrisaldrich: we can hear your kids again. :smile:
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tantek aaronpk: lesson learned: started with just "email aaron" and that had very low results
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[chrisaldrich] On the side, I recruit high school students for a university, and in the last few days I've met with a handful of minority parents. Many students have great "content" that they've made/done at the HS level that isn't 8.5x11" to fit into a college application folder, but having it on a blog is a resaonable alternative. Reaching out to high school related groups could be worthwhile....
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bear that time it was someone new joining and then leaving
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tantek aaronpk: so I made a Google Form which had a thing people did, to apply
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[chrisaldrich] shaners: not me, someone else popped in
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tantek aaronpk: even if all it did was email me
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benwerd chrisaldrich: that's awesome
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tantek aaronpk: it worked much better
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tantek aaronpk: that part I did like
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[shaners] ah. maybe it was interference driving by. chrisaldrich
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KevinMarks1 https://twitter.com/jessicamckellar/status/737299558468718593
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@jessicamckellar How? In part: year-round investments in a supportive, accessible community; sustainable, distributed outreach @ThePSF @PyLadies @PyCon. (twtr.io/1D9gULVzcPD)
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bear the diversity item has to be paired with some group outreach and pairings
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tantek aaronpk: but we didn't have a place to broadcast its availability
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[chrisaldrich] There are lots of STEM groups in particular at many high schools and outreach progrrams out of universities that could be touched for this kind of strategy.
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bear because this group doesn't have the contacts required to reach those that would benefit
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tantek bear - can we separate things we "should" do that we haven't done before, and things we *have* done that have worked?
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tantek we're trying to focus on the latter right now
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[chrisaldrich] STEM is an acronym for Science, Technology, Engineering and Math education
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KevinMarks1 what works: http://blog.xoxofest.com/post/121224460200/diversity-and-subsidized-passes
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tantek chrisaldrich - do you know of any examples of reaching out to such STEM groups actually helping with conference participation?
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bear the conversation seems to be going in multiple directions and I'm offering my feedback at the disadvantage of everything being delayed
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KevinMarks1 also http://blog.xoxofest.com/post/128454032550/childcare-faq
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[shaners] bear: i don’t understand. can you rephrase?
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[chrisaldrich] t: Not directly at the level we're thinking about, but most major Universities use that type of outreach as a means of recruitment and it definitely works there
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KevinMarks1 google IO asking for ethnicity did make some uncomfortable
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[chrisaldrich] I know Larry Lim (USC) who does outreach programs for minorities for STEM and could pick his brain on our behalf. Could potentially partner up with him somehow as well. https://pressroom.usc.edu/larry-lim/
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tantek summary things: continuing and expanding the travel assistance option for future indiewebcamps
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tantek ... also include travel assistance program in the sponsorship package
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KevinMarks1 xoxo had childcare as a sponsor option
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tantek KevinMarks - already added to: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps#Before
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[chrisaldrich] Typically STEM outreach groups are looking for event programming for local groups, and we've actually got some content to offer them. The tangible fact that students could go home with a website that they've built themselves could be awesome. Perhaps we could enlist Jim Groom to offer free hosting, etc.? http://jimgroom.net/about/
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tantek ... also, compile a list of other groups to reach out to
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KevinMarks1 Ada Lovelace woudl be one
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tantek KevinMarks: do you have contacts there? could you reach out to invite folks to the next HWC?
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[chrisaldrich] Coincidentally, my 5 year old daughter playing around in the background just asked me, "Are there any girls in that video?" HA! :slightly_smiling_face:
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Two of them
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KevinMarks1 yes, though they're more UK based
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KevinMarks1 legwork is about right for tantek
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Jeena we need more "press" stuff which people in new cities could use to reach out to people instead of comming up with everything themselves. (logos, texts, design)
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tantek topic: numbers in cities, and growing # of cities
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[chrisaldrich] In my experience, even for events people have shown interest in, the personal conversation (phone call/in person) goes miles towards helping attendance.
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Jeena I agree, but I can't do that every two weeks, over and over again.
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@veganstraightedge Super stoked on how the new #indiewebcamp stickers turned out! @ Vadio https://www.instagram.com/p/BGNWwcwsnhK/ (twtr.io/1DJxYF3Ddh9)
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[chrisaldrich] t: It may feel that way, but I've have guessed you to be an extrovert based on your warm IRC welcomes...
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: A lot of us fake it
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miklb that is a sweet sticker
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[chrisaldrich] The LA Drupal community has become so diverse that there are easily 5 geographical subsections in the LA area. Some of our LA based issue is geographical commute time based.
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[chrisaldrich] and that's part of the segmentation issue that LA Drupal faces
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tantek chrisaldrich - am putting a lot of effort into trying to learn extrovert skills/habits
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[chrisaldrich] I'm tentatively planning a trip to Baltimore in January 2017 for a week and might be able to scare up a camp there...
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KevinMarks1 https://twitter.com/huny/status/738855046067163137
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@huny if you don't remember updating your site = updating an html file and uploading that ho via ftp you can't sit with us either. (twtr.io/1DJx7qMDuCH)
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I'll be there. I love the DC area. And there is interest down there.
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jkphl1 For the records: IWC Nuremberg 2017 is set, and there will be the IndieWeb Hack Day in 3 weeks, and if I get the chance I will also organize others ..
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@kevinmarks @huny you might like http://indiewebcamp.com - trying to keep that spirit alive and connect it to the social web (twtr.io/1DJyP7GgU29)
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[chrisaldrich] Another source close to journalists, is writing programs at universities... some of my publishing related work brings me into those circles... If writing students can use sites as a portfolio as well as their own "distribution" that could be a great locus of growth.
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aaronpk jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 5 karma
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aaronpk amazing
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aaronpk jkphl++ need more karma
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[chrisaldrich] Similarly, programs like NaNoWriMo to help budding writers create an author "platform" could be useful.
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[chrisaldrich] Has anyone from the hosted version of Known (Gen3) at a university shown interest in joining IndieWeb more proactively? Or are they all just using an advanced tool without real knowledge of the philosophy behind it?
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Jeena Do we have any members in Asia?
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[chrisaldrich] Growth through Universities could be an interesting model...
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bear is the video hung for anyone else
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GWG aaronpk left the room.
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[chrisaldrich] been hung for me for a while, but audio is fine
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GWG Do you really need to see us?
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[chrisaldrich] either that or shaners is taking a reeeaaalllly loooong drink of water
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tantek what happened to the etherpads / discussions for https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Nuremberg/Schedule ?
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gRegorLove Gotta stay hydrated
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[chrisaldrich] we should have an EPK (electronic press kit) with 3-5 different lengths of descriptions as well as photos and one or two good representative videos we can direct them to.
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[shaners] there’s video?
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Loqi +1
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jkphl nope
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[shaners] +1 chrisaldrich
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[chrisaldrich] and we could bring forward some of the major press pieces from Wired, The Atlantic, etc. to feature them on the site. Some of these bigger press pieces are hidden in the longer stream of articles on the /news page.
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tantek things that work for getting people to show up to HWC:
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tantek 1. take and post a photo every time
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tantek 2. invite people to the next one, literally the day after the previous one if possible, or ASAP
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tantek 3. post more about upcoming events than just "I am going to" or " I went to"
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bear microformats tshirt?
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jkphl tantek: here, here!
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[shaners] we’re taking a 5-10 minute break
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[chrisaldrich] I just lost some shirts on vacation in Hawaii... feeling like an idiot for not having ordered an IWC shirt now...
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Jeena btw my video doesn't work either
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[chrisaldrich] Jeena: I tried to see if I could disconnect/reconnect on my end, but now I'm stuck with a black screen. I'm wishing I had that frozen picture back now...
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Jeena hehe yeah same here ^^
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bear if this is a break, why not restart the hangouts now
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[chrisaldrich] Jeena: I've switched the screen over so your icon shows instead. It feels like you're staring me down...
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Jeena that is the point of my avatar :-p
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bear did we lose the portland feed?
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[chrisaldrich] makes me feel like I should be working harder...
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Jeena yes
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GWG It is being serviced
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aaronpk https://hangouts.google.com/call/k5s5gw6fmrgvdnce4ctmm7vtoue
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Jeena yey, video!
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[chrisaldrich] I feel smarter now that I can look over GWGs shoulder...
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willnorris before ya'll get going again, could someone confirm what time the pre-summit meetup thing is tonight? https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Schedule says 4:30pm but http://2016.indieweb.org/ says 19:00
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Loqi willnorris: pfefferle left you a message 1 day, 15 hours ago: now it works like a charm! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-02/line/1464852645548
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove willnorris: 7pm
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gRegorLove Will fix
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willnorris yeah, just noticed that wiki actually has: <time class="dt-start" datetime="2016-06-03T19:00:00-0700">4:30pm</time>
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willnorris thanks
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gRegorLove Probably copypasta from previous IWC
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bear I always felt the goal was to first own your data and to enable connections to whatever publishing tools you want to use
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gRegorLove 3 hours until IndieWeb Summit pre-party!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 6/3 6:50pm (#5847)
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tantek still kinda breaking
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[chrisaldrich] Quirkily, my primary use of Medium is to follow Dave Winer and Medium does a great job of giving me mobile notifications when he posts...
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bear aaronpk can I arrange for one of those to get to me?
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aaronpk definitely!
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[chrisaldrich] me too???
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gRegorLove We're back.
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gRegorLove Topic: presenting
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gRegorLove subtopic: renaming to indieweb
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Leaders#rename_to_indieweb
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gRegorLove aaronpk: people see "camp' and events and don't realize it's more than a handful of events, ongoing thing
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gRegorLove ...events still IndieWebCamp
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gRegorLove ...community becomes IndieWeb Community
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[chrisaldrich] Could bring it in line linguistically with WordPress vs WordCamp or Drupal vs DrupalCamp
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tantek FYI: https://indiewebcamp.com/indieweb
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gRegorLove ...related: multiple channels to separate discussion and avoid scaring people off
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[chrisaldrich] We're also generally on the cusp of the entry of gen2 which is going to cement the names/concepts we've got into a broader consciousness hereafter...
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gRegorLove ...Slack does a great job with multiple channels/focusing topics
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gRegorLove ...xoxo slack almost 2000 people and self-organized into channels
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Jeena I personally wouldn't use slack
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gRegorLove (Slack is a bridge)
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gRegorLove (Just an example in favor of multiple channels and how it's succeeded)
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Jeena ah ok, get it
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[chrisaldrich] slack is also a more "mainstream" interface for Gen2/3 compared with a less mainstream feel of using IRC, which may scare off some of that segment of the community
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gRegorLove ... xoxo slack has "badattitude" channel and the only place you can complain about stuff.
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gRegorLove ... can't complain in any other channels
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bear the problem with slack is that I can't save logs
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GWG I want my own channel. #gwg-gripes.
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gRegorLove ... Slack is a case study. Not proposing using only Slack
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benwerd (I love Slack)
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[chrisaldrich] I actually love that slack ports across to IRC and logs are saved on the wiki
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gRegorLove ... IRC is an obstacle to the next generation, even some of the current generation
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[shaners] i love slack too
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bear ha - I feel about slack what aaronpk feels about IRC
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gRegorLove (I bet [betatwork] loves slack too)
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jkphl gRegorLove: So true! ;)
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gRegorLove ... proposal is to keep Slack channels mirror of IRC channels
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Jeena isn't it #indiechat?
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gRegorLove ... #indieweb-dev on IRC would be Slack channel #dev and they'd be mirrored
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bear how will slack created channels get auto-mirrored to IRC
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gRegorLove (I think it's the other way arround, bear)
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bear but i'm worried about new channels being discovered
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M-Kodo aaronpk (IRC): quill is caching my micropub endpoint. I updated it but it keeps showing the old one
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[chrisaldrich] I like the idea of a WP channel, but at present I worry that it'd be a tad too quiet and toward being welcoming, we need to make sure there's a regular presence of people...
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[chrisaldrich] If there are too many empty channels, it could make things look like a ghosttown and more like a dying group rather than a growing one....
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[chrisaldrich] another benefit of multi-channels is that it becomes easier to catch up reading on those of a particular interest when one has been away
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bear aaronpk - can we increase the number of "ops" people to help administer these things
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[shaners] bear - please do investigate! :wink:
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bear our goal should be to have in a year a indieweb way of having slack without it being a silo
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[chrisaldrich] dogfooding++
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aaronpk bear: i agree. i have some thoughts on that, but it's a loooot of work
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bear i'm here to help with that
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[chrisaldrich] indiewebcamp.org for events related stuff and indiewebcamp.com redirects to indieweb.com
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aaronpk just to clarify, the domains we have are indieweb.org and indiewebcamp.com
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@jimpick Arrived in PDX by train for the #indieweb summit https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/738871477718503425/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DK301aZoik)
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aaronpk we're talking about redirecting indiewebcamp.com -> indieweb.org, then having events.indieweb.org handle all our event pages/registration
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[jimpick] Slack is handy for somebody like me that already has to use it for work
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KevinMarks1 who has .com ?
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aaronpk yep, slack has been a great bridge
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gRegorLove Unkonwn. Private reg
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KevinMarks1 indieweb.camp works
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[shaners] kevinmarks: godaddy proxy whois info
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[chrisaldrich] we could go oldschool and get geocities.com :wink:
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KevinMarks1 Creation Date: 27-apr-2003
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aaronpk http://web.archive.org/web/19961221025704/http://indieweb.com/
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich++
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KevinMarks1 love the banner
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[chrisaldrich] Wait, we don't have a corporate spokesperson and a PR department?
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[chrisaldrich] We might have to incorporate to have a body to own the trademark...
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aaronpk yup, foundation/non-profit etc
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M-Kodo Yeah I was thinking IndieWeb Foundation
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M-Kodo Like the Drupal Foundation
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[chrisaldrich] that archive.org has a Glendale, CA PO box which is in my backyard... If we could find a name, I'll go knock on the door.
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M-Kodo https://www.drupal.com/trademark
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gRegorLove Sorry shaners, new logo: http://web.archive.org/web/19961221025704/http://indieweb.com/indieweb-toplogo.gif
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M-Kodo lol
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bear indieweb.org feels better IMO
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M-Kodo nevermind the buzzcocks
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@kevinmarks who has @indieweb and http://indieweb.com ? cos I love this old banner https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/738874167416610817/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DK3xfZzrtc)
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[chrisaldrich] aye
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bear this should be now stated as a proposal and allow people to +1 or -1 it
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[chrisaldrich] Who cares about Twitter when we own our own domain?
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bear because not all people impacted are online or awake
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kylewm bear: good point
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M-Kodo ICANN owns my domain, I'm just borrowing it
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[chrisaldrich] Doesn't anyone have a copy of Roberts Rules of Order? :wink:
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I do
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[chrisaldrich] @GWG, I can see you googling it right now...
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[shaners] What is namechange?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "namechange" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10Mu
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GWG I own two copies. I'm not joking.
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gRegorLove That's small amounts of namecoin, right?
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KevinMarks1 that's odd - https://twitter.com/search?f=users&vertical=default&q=indieweb&src=typd doesnt show @indiewebcamp
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bear so are we blocked on getting new version of the wiki and all the goodness that comes with it because of cosmetics?
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bear cosmetics that people can fix at any time even?
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aaronpk the proposal is to decide that we're switching to the Vector skin and actually flip that switch like today or tomorrow
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aaronpk then i can do the wiki upgrade (and fixing plugins) later and it won't be a visible change
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bear my ops side says anything that gets us closer to the latest version is a good thing
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bear plus this may draw out some designer types...
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[chrisaldrich] Most of us don't go to/use the homepage, it's definitely about next-gen
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bear I haven't viewed the homepage in months
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[chrisaldrich] the homepage should be more about sales for the benefit of growth
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[chrisaldrich] Wikipedia is also already at massive scale and IndieWeb isn't (yet).
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bear the focus of the wiki should be knowledge transfer, not about the tech behind it
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bear so hiding everything that isn't the knowledge... +1
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KevinMarks1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
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bear yes ^^ we always have to view the wiki from the eyes of a new person
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bear we can have different portal pages that cater to specialized aspects of the community
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bear act on what we have that can be acted on - trying to plan for something that can't be acted on yet is distracting
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[chrisaldrich] I was personally scared away by the current homepage for a while and had to come back several times before I began to really dig under the hood. The goal should be to make it all be more accessible to broader and broader audiences.
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Salt okay, so my laptop is official dead and not going to make it to portland...
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Salt look forward to seeing everyone there with a very poor excuse for a backup!
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Salt also gonna be in late so probably miss the pre-meetup thing
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[chrisaldrich] It's nice that the google search for indiewebcamp images comes back with lots of pictures of groups of people. Somewhat similar to the way that a search for "withknown images" are pictures of people
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tantek Hey (self-identified) generation 1.5 people, what do you think of the overall design of 2016.indieweb.org vs the current wiki home page?
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[chrisaldrich] t: I think it should sit somewhere between the two, but closer to 2016.indieweb.org
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aaronpk the vast majority of the current home page is about events. if we're talking about moving events to events.indieweb.org then all the event stuff on the home page can go there and it would mean much less stuff we're trying to pack in to the home page
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tantek thanks chrisaldrich!
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[chrisaldrich] the question for new visitors is what is the value proposition for the group/movement? what problem can we help them solve? There's far too much to choose from right now.
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tantek what do you think of https://atom.io/ ?
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kylewm really appreciate the info from you all remote folks, it's helping a lot!
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bear do it, get feedback, iterate -- don't get bogged down
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miklb +1 to 2016.indieweb.org
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miklb bear++
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[chrisaldrich] re: atom.io - I like the smooth modern simplicity; their tag line should be above the photo with the download link just below it. Mostly it does a good job of compatmentalizing what it does and where to jump into the product
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[chrisaldrich] it's a bit too sparse, but I like that it has more whitespace than indiewebcamp.com does right now; our current page doesn't draw people in as much as it should. Think: What would Harry and Mary Beercan expect to see when they come to the homepage from the Atlantic or Wired?
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[scottgruber] I like atom and use it as my primary editor these days. Some people say it crashes but I haven't run into that issue. I bounced between bunch of editors including bbedit, sublime, coda, but keep coming back to atom.
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[chrisaldrich] Mostly the homepage should answer: Who we are, What we do, how we can help people with links to news (for recurring visitors), events, and how can we help them.
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps there should be different home/landing pages for each of the generations?
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Salt gRegorLove, look forward to seeing you down there and hopefully/probably sharing a ride back :)
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[chrisaldrich] Aim the homepage at gen2/3 right now with a denser landing page (what's there now) for the gen1 users?
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gRegorLove Salt: Sounds good! Safe travels
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tantek chrisaldrich definitely thinking of solidly aiming at gen2
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bear bikeshedding alert... make the dev can for all dev period
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tantek since as you've observed we're 1.5
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[scottgruber] Probably main thing for me would be clear text explanations. I appreciate this site http://indiewebify.me
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[scottgruber] I'm reading IndieWebcamp wiki site to understand how to build in IndieWeb functionality to my site. My two cents would be focus on how-to and go for good typography for readability.
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bear s/can/channel/
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Loqi bear meant to say: bikeshedding alert... make the dev channel for all dev period
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KevinMarks1 http://2016.indieweb.org/ is wrapping the text under 'contribute' a bit oddly on mobile, but otherwise is much better on mobile than the wiki
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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[chrisaldrich] I'm closer to gen2, but have enough grit to want to be closer to gen1
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bear tweets are community stuff
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[scottgruber] I could help with copy editing this year. One thing I like was seeing my rsvp work to pull in my info. That did make me feel part of a welcoming community. Nice method to onboard new folk.
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[chrisaldrich] I'd posit that some of the community related tweets and their repetitiveness in the main channel likely prevent some of us retweeting (and thereby diminish some of our network reach) because we don't want to "pile-on"
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bear your talking about an incremental backoff for freshness?
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GWG Seems so, bear
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@scott_gruber @nimirea_ I think you might like @indiewebcamp. You seem part of the POSSE (twtr.io/1DK7mujfAf0)
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bear hide immediately and weight it's redisplay based on idleness
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[chrisaldrich] or maybe dump a list of RTs at the end of the day around 2am PST when the chatroom is quiet and is likely to be the point at which people who rejoin in the morning can get a brief update of the prior day's news and how popular it was.
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bear if the room is idle, pick from random community loqi posts
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aaronpk lol!
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bear wouldn't it be great if the indieweb.org home page is itself a generated indieweb formatted site - not a wiki
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aaronpk oh i have some crazy ideas there
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bear someone grab a screen shot of the hangout footer
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bear to have the remote folks represented in the photo
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Loqi [indieweb] "hm, that doesn't look right. #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/hm-that-doesnt-look-right-indieweb
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[chrisaldrich] I would think that Medium would/should bend over backwards to add things like webmention to be the killer feature that no other site is currently offering and they obviously have the tech background to appreciate mention technology.
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[chrisaldrich] webmention is just really an internet wide @mention functionality (ideally)
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jkphl moving home & going to bed now. thanks for the hangout, have a nice party later on!
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bear o/ jkphl
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[chrisaldrich] g'nite jkphl
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[scottgruber] I'm working on adding datetime for notes, etc. anyone know if it should it be iso 8601 date?
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aaronpk iso8601++
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Loqi iso8601 has 1 karma
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[scottgruber] Cool. Got it added. Thx.
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bear the answer for that is always yes
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[scottgruber] Thx bear. I wish Safari support HTML 5 input forms for date and time. Much sleeker looking going native like on cCrome and Opera. Looks like Firefox doesn't either which is a surprise to me.
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bear nothing prevents you from capturing date and time as seperate fields if they are going to be POSTd to something that can create the 8601 format
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bear just make sure to capture as much timezone info as you can
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KevinMarks1 there are polyfills for them
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@jimpick In Portland, reading the #indieweb wikipedia article before I go to the Indieweb Summit. :-) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndieWebCamp (twtr.io/1DKAh2U6bo0)
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@jimpick s/Indieweb/IndieWeb/ (twtr.io/1DKAon973U0)
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[scottgruber] Would it look something like this: <time class="dt-published" datetime="2016-05-23T17:30:00-07:00"><small>Published on: May 23, 2016, 5:30 PM</small></time>
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[scottgruber] I think that’s right. I’m using Perch Runway btw. So far so good. I can format them pretty well for machines/humans using PHP date options. Probably should add an updated date somewhere too.
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bear that looks correct (eyeball review)
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KevinMarks1 ah crap. I think i stomped my edits to http://www.kevinmarks.com/u-means-style.html
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Loqi When u- means <style> 2016-05-24
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KevinMarks Ah, phew, Google cache had it. Reverted
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@m_ott 🎉 Finally! I just released the first version of my Webmention plugin for @craftcms → https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention #IndieWeb #webmention #craftcms (twtr.io/1DKEkeoQmnU)
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@m_ott @adactio Hi Jeremy, I finally released the Craft Webmention plugin, including a „human-friendly“ endpoint: https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention Cheers! (twtr.io/1DKFyZDFoG2)
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[scottgruber] Is there a rss feed for? http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en
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[chrisaldrich] Good question Scott, it doesn't look like there is, but I've been using http://woodwind.xyz as a feed reeder for indieweb related feeds, and that manages to parse and show the feed properly
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[chrisaldrich] It doesn't have an h-feed, so I'm guessing that it's finding the posts solely using h-entry
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[chrisaldrich] What is Woodwind?
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Loqi Woodwind is a minimalist open source indie reader by https://kylewm.com/photo.jpgKyle Mahan https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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sknebel Has anybody made an h-feed-to-Atom converter? I know unmung that does the other way around...
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[chrisaldrich] What is unmung?
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Loqi Unmung is a service that turns Atom and RSS feeds into h-feeds https://indiewebcamp.com/unmung
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@veganstraightedge Salt & Straw #indieweb summit pre-party #flattop. Strawberry coconut soft serve. @ Pine Street… https://www.instagram.com/p/BGNzM90Mnt4/ (twtr.io/1DKKsxdk5Vb)
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@aaronpk Come find me at the #IndieWebCamp pre-party at Pine St Market! We're at the long table near the pizza place! (twtr.io/1DKLWHy5TFD)
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[kevinmarks] I think granary will convert for you
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@jimpick #indieweb people are awesome https://twitter.com/jimpick/status/738960486411079680/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DK_nnWEFU0)
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@scott_gruber Dashboard https://webmention.io/ via @instapaper (twtr.io/1DKaN092mbo)
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@iwontsignuphere Portlandin' (revision, approved by @t). PS: photos of today's #indieweb Leaders Summit > https://www.flickr.com/photos/106252209@N03/sets/72157669290044195 https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/738970695305027585/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DKdSbDY9t5)
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boffosocko.com edited /Bookmarklet (+125) "Bookmarklets for WordPress" (view diff)
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