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Can we come up with some phrasing and/or placement of this that will actually stick?[edit]

People keep adding, and other people keep removing, references to the idea that the "women" (and, for that matter, "men") referred to in the test don't necessarily have to be adult female (/male) humans, but can be, well, any identifiably female (or male) characters. Aliens, children, talking animals, whatever.

Edit wars are annoying. Can we come up with a phrasing of the concept, and a placement for same, that the people who keep removing it won't remove?

(if you want proof that this is how people tend to actually use the test: just from a quick skim of the Bechdel Test Movie List: http://bechdeltest.com/view/7595/guardians_of_the_galaxy_vol._2 passes from assorted aliens, http://bechdeltest.com/view/6964/the_bfg/ passes from conversations that involve a little girl, http://bechdeltest.com/view/6932/finding_dory/ involves conversations between *fish* , http://bechdeltest.com/view/6808/kung_fu_panda_3/ has various talking animals, http://bechdeltest.com/view/6963/the_secret_life_of_pets/ doesn't pass because the conversations between 2 females are about a male dog, http://bechdeltest.com/view/7237/trolls/ passes because of conversations between trolls, http://bechdeltest.com/view/6741/zootopia/ has more talking animals... need I go on?) Tamtrible (talk) 05:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, the problem is that we need reliable sources for such an addition, see WP:V. Bechdel herself and the other cited sources talk only about women, not girls, females, etc. The bechdeltest.com results are doubly inappropriate: they are individual examples and generalizing from them is original research; and the site itself is user-edited and therefore not a reliable source. Sandstein 22:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Um... what kind of "reliable sources" for *how people use something* are there going to be besides, well, examples of people using the thing that way?... Tamtrible (talk) 05:16, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

We describe reliable sources at WP:RS. What we need is secondary sources, not primary sources (as usage examples are). An example for a good source would be an academic paper or a reputable mainstream media article reporting that this is how the Bechdel test is also applied. Sandstein 07:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Page Name - Bechdel vs. Bechdel-Wallace[edit]

Given that Alison Bechdel herself has said she wants it to be referred to as the Bechdel-Wallace test, since Wallace is the one whose idea it actually was and Bechdel was the one who publicized it through her comic, would it not be better to name the page "Bechdel-Wallace test" and have a redirect from "Bechdel test"? Likewise it should be referred to as such throughout, except where noting the alternate form. It just seems appropriate to give credit where due, especially when it's been requested by the current namesake. Felice Enellen (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand why you might think that, but Wikipedia policy is to use the most commonly used name for article topics, see WP:COMMONNAME, not what the topic's creator calls it. "Bechdel test" is clearly more widely used. Sandstein 14:00, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. Felice Enellen (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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