#dev 2017-07-16

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@wpsupportticket What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ (twtr.io/1TxwuJB13W8)
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@wpstarter What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for #WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ (twtr.io/1Ty1m4rL_GY)
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drewinthehead chrisaldrich: once I'm done testing it'll go into the Blog add-on, which is probably the number one add-on for Perch.
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@Jurassic_Themes What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ https://twitter.com/Jurassic_Themes/status/886526470662660096/photo/1 (twtr.io/1Ty8yxnAq1b)
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@TiggeritoTimes What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress: Commenting on blog posts and other website… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/886528087009013761 (twtr.io/1Ty9ZbRFoG1)
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@design_pg What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress http://www.danielemilana.it/blog/what-the-new-webmention-and-annotation-w3c-standards-mean-for-wordpress/ (twtr.io/1TyAKdYPMAQ)
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@drewm @buddhawilliams Went for the sweatiest run ever, and am now working on a webmentions implementation! (twtr.io/1TyDXiwvpuD)
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@drewm Comments are 1990s technology. What I discovered implementing webmentions: https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twtr.io/1Tya_0LWSzC)
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Loqi [[event]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39141&oldid=39034&rcid=39054 * Vanderven.se martijn * (+919) /* IndieWeb Examples */ Add Martijn
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Loqi [[Posts about the IndieWeb]] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39142&oldid=38087&rcid=39055 * Aaronparecki.com * (+169)
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aaronpk drewinthehead: great post! want to post that to indienews or should I? :D
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 7 minutes ago: new tweet/superfeedr search/filter suggestion: if the search result contains "WordPress", then bump it from where it would have shown up (e.g. webmention in #indieweb-dev) to showing up in #indieweb-wordpress
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aaronpk hm yes that does make sense
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tantek drewinthehead++ yes great post!
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Loqi drewinthehead has 2 karma
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drewinthehead aaronpk: thanks, please go ahead!
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drewinthehead Now patiently waiting to see if it all works correctly.
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aaronpk well you should have two webmentions from me now!
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drewinthehead I see them in the job queue... looking good so far!
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schmarty drewinthehead: great post! Have a webmention from me as well :)
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drewinthehead Looks like I have a bug in how I processed the content from your source, aaronpk. Time to dig in and debug.
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aaronpk i'm kind of an edge case :)
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aaronpk i'm guessing you didn't find my author info, in which case read https://indieweb.org/authorship
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drewinthehead Ace, thanks. Also `bookmark-of`? what fresh hell is this? :D
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aaronpk hah
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Zegnat drewinthehead, some people bookmark, some people like, some repost, some comment. Infinite possibilities! :D
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drewinthehead are these specified somewhere I've missed?
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sknebel https://indieweb.org/Post_Types#Kinds_of_Posts and https://indieweb.org/post_type_discovery - those that refer to other posts have attributes for that. the more common ones also are on the mf2 wiki http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Properties
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schmarty it's an evolving list
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drewinthehead thanks!
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aaronpk hmm, someone proposed a "decentralized oauth 2.0" session at the next oauth wg meeting
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Zegnat Isn’t oauth decentralised?
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aaronpk in theory yes, in practice no
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aaronpk oh, i remember seeing this a few months ago when he published it... https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardjono-oauth-decentralized-00
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aaronpk different kind of decentralization
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aaronpk one of these days i'm going to have to write up indieauth in the IETF format and bring it to one of the meetings
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Loqi [[lulz]] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39143&oldid=37095&rcid=39056 * Aaronparecki.com * (+11) /* Local */
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Loqi [[309]] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39144&oldid=38964&rcid=39057 * Aaronparecki.com * (+47) /* See Also */ wikipedia link for more context
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dgold aaronpk: i've been setting up tiktok, and I keep running into a whole fist of errors when messages are sent to it
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sknebel (dgold, did you see the gist I sent you?)
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dgold sknebel: yes :) I followed it
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sknebel :)
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sknebel does it work and show errors, or fails?
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sknebel (it loves to spam exceptions while working just fine)
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dgold yes, exactly - spams huge amounts of exceptions, but works perfect
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dgold *ly
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sknebel hm, my git for TTB is quite ugly right now, I should clean it up and send a PR to fix at least some of them
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petermolnar I was wondering... if there is ganalytics for a site and g sees the traffic, will it count that into the search rankings?
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petermolnar sknebel WordPress?
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sknebel petermolnar: wordpress?
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petermolnar I misread your like
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petermolnar like... line
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petermolnar wtf
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petermolnar my typing AND my reading is off
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petermolnar sorry
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petermolnar nothing :)
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sknebel :)
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Zegnat petermolnar I seem to recall ganalytics has some pretty stringent terms that forbid Google from using the data outside of analytics?
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petermolnar I never checked, never used ga
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aaronpk dgold: hmm i don't have errors when i use it
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aaronpk maybe some version of something is wrong
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sknebel aaronpk: I guess you use all features. if you don't, then it complains that values aren't set
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aaronpk hm, i might need some specific examples
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sknebel e.g. the profile_data hook
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aaronpk i can send just "content" to the bot and it works fine
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sknebel it works
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sknebel it just throws exceptions on the console all the time
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aaronpk feel free to file issues for stuff like that
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sknebel I have sending a PR for it on the todo list
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sknebel just wasn't high priority since it works
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dgold the current big error is:
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dgold NoMethodError at /message
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dgold undefined method `each' for nil:NilClass
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dgold in irc.rb - its certainly to do with the profile matter, as the error is in fetch_user_info
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aaronpk ah sounds like it's missing the profile_data section in the config file
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sknebel yeah, if you don't define a hook it fails trying to find it
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sknebel I just commented it out locally, but adding a NilCheck would fix it
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aaronpk just pushed a fix for that
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dgold yay!
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Loqi 😃
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Loqi [[non-interactive IndieAuth]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39145&oldid=39136&rcid=39058 * Www.svenknebel.de * (+595) /* ideas for verification of private webmentions */ write down flow
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Loqi [[non-interactive IndieAuth]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39146&oldid=39145&rcid=39059 * Www.svenknebel.de * (+22) /* ideas for verification of private webmentions */
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@drewm I think I may need to tweak the layout, but webmentions are coming in nicely! https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twtr.io/1TywVihurj1)
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sknebel hm, I guess I should start implementing this indieauth stuff to test instead of writing more notes about it, although I'm still not quite sure the proposed solution actually matches the problem
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Zegnat Writing out a clear flow can definitely help pen testing before implementation though
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sknebel Zegnat: I appreciate any feedback ;)
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@miklb Implementing Webmentions (twtr.io/1TyxhqaDvV4)
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@calum_ryan Great write-up Drew on webmentions, clear and persuasive to start implementing them 👍🏻 https://twitter.com/drewm/status/886659475976970241 (twtr.io/1TyxjLk6Gp6)
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[miklb] needs to work on syndicating bookmarks
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sknebel [miklb]: was about to ask ;)
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[miklb] deleted and will try again 🙂
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sknebel reviews https://indieweb.org/server-indieauth again
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@jannisborgers Up until now, I didn’t even know the word webmentions. Incredibly useful – thanks @drewm for explaining it all! https://twitter.com/drewm/status/886659475976970241 (twtr.io/1TyyB_V9rHQ)
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aaronpk really want this to be possible but i don't think i'll pass the whitelist approval https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-07-16-12-52-08.png
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Zegnat “the whitelist approval”?
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aaronpk https://developers.google.com/gmail/markup/registering-with-google
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Zegnat “ Consistent history of sending a high volume of mail from your domain (order of hundred emails a day minimum to Gmail) ” - that will be hard to check off
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aaronpk yeah
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sknebel regarding debug display, didn't sl007 make card-displays for mf2 objects? is that public somewhere?
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sknebel Zegnat: you asked about authorship discovery for h-feeds (for my debugging tool) - is there a clear standard for that?
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sknebel (or just apply the same algorithm to the h-feed instead of picking a post from it?)
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Zegnat I would say follow https://indieweb.org/authorship but start at step 4
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Zegnat and whenever it says “h-entry's page” treat that as “h-feed's page”
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Zegnat Would that make sense?
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Zegnat Since the algorithm is supposed to work with author information on h-feeds anyway
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sknebel I'm not sure what the last line means, but other than that it's not a big change
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Zegnat What line? the “since the…”? I mean that all steps after 4 are supposed to work with author property value taken from h-feed already, so I feel like there should not be any problems. If there is an h-feed specific issue with the algorithm, that might need to be fixed just to work for h-entry also.
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sknebel ah, ok
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sknebel yes, except the "check for h-feed wrapped around it" I don't see anything that's specific to an h-entry
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Loqi [[authorship]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39147&oldid=38419&rcid=39060 * Vanderven.se martijn * (+387) /* Questions */ Use same algorithm for h-feed?
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Zegnat Documented ^^^
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Zegnat Makes sense to me.
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@sonniesedge *desperately tries find time to implement web mentions on own blog* https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twtr.io/1TzAZGb5cd8)
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sknebel ugh, those spammers
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Zegnat Interesting though. Take a SEO-like much boosted Tweet, and then retweet it with spam prepended. I wonder what benefit they get from doing that
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snarfed1 it's things like this that remind me how much i hate web dev :( https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/commit/3513768ce41d035036ea9356ed7c7fd0d9a1e53d
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snarfed it doesn't 404 for you?
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snarfed oops, that last msg was for a different channel
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@vfowler Implementing Webmentions http://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions Top story: @drewm (twtr.io/1TzCuRLA9qx)
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@m_ott @brad_frost @drewm Really worth it! For WordPress, there's a #webmention plugin by @pfefferle -> https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ (twtr.io/1TzDxL8Nv0G)
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@m_ott Webmentions are on the rise… @drewm wrote a great post about implementing them for Perch CMS: https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twtr.io/1TzEEzxhicc)
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[kevinmarks] Aaronpk can you ask will norris for advice on Gmail api approval?
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aaronpk hm maybe
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Loqi [[micro.blog]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39149&oldid=38704&rcid=39062 * Matthiasott.com * (+135)
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Loqi [[JSON Feed]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39150&oldid=38749&rcid=39063 * Matthiasott.com * (+264)
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aaronpk just had an interesting idea for a service that's kind of like a reverse bridgy publish
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aaronpk actually i guess it is just bridgy publish
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aaronpk but, the difference would be it'd allow people who don't have a github account to publish comments to github issues
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Loqi [[p3k naming convention]] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39151&oldid=37037&rcid=39064 * Aaronparecki.com * (+28) /* Unused Names */
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snarfed aaronpk: yes! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/333
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Loqi [snarfed] #333 add GitHub support
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aaronpk snarfed: i'm talking about POSSEing to github without having a github account tho!
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snarfed ahhhhh interesting yes
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snarfed that's kind of like how bridgy for blogs handles webmentions
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#user
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@kazuhito Implementing Webmentions https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twtr.io/1TzdWdhHpN8)
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@kazuhito Movable Type のプラグインで何か良さげなのあるのかなと思い Webmention で検索したけど結果ゼロ (twtr.io/1TzeqeBsefq)
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Loqi [[socmed death]] !N https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?oldid=39152&rcid=39065 * Loqi.me * (+23) prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek
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@blogging_trick Automatic ARTICLE GENERATOR online http://articlecreator.fullcontentrss.com #backlinks #blogspot | What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean… (twtr.io/1TzjGVFo829)
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@ebooks_lewis Managing Typography on my head around webmentions. (twtr.io/1TzpznzyjuQ)
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[miklb] lol
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Loqi [[silo-quits]] ! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39153&oldid=36157&rcid=39066 * Loqi.me * (+419) tantek added "2017-07-14 [http://kinlane.com/2017/07/14/i-flushed-the-last-nine-years-of-my-facebook-profile/ I Flushed The Last 9 Years Of My Facebook Profile] <blockquote>I flushed the the last 9 years of my Facebook profile over the last couple of
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Loqi [[silo-quits]] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=39154&oldid=39153&rcid=39067 * Tantek.com * (+8) complete the quote, collapse see also sections
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