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12:00 AM

@thecoshman that may not be what you want, but that is where we’re at and the Standard committee sticks to being conservative

Mikhail

12:29 AM

(sorry wrong meme)

Seph Reed

@Mikhail You call that a shit post?

Mikhail

Seph Reed

Victory is yours.

Mikhail

I'd say the shit level is higher, but your meme touches me in a very special place.

On the other hand I invoice by the hour so, using a more rational programing language would hurt my bottom line

Rick

12:45 AM

lol

If you invoice by the hour, isn't that up to your discretion. Do you really start the clock and end it. or do you just round up

Mikhail

Basically, for political reasons I need to fill out a per-hour rate and how many hours I've worked. This doesn't have much to do with reality.

Rick

I am also assuming your salary, so the whole hour reporting thing is just so they can bypass some tax laws

Mikhail

I'm forced to do consulting on the side. It's kinda like when you get robbed at a bar, somebody makes you buy drugs for way off market value. Then you can't complain to the cops.

Rick

so when things are slow, you just do the consulting work. That seems like a lot of juggling. does the consulting work require any face time?

Mikhail

The principle investigator at the university makes me work at his company, technically I'm paid by a "prestigious" fellowship from the national science foundation (USA)

Rick

12:58 AM

With all this side hustle. how much more do you make a year than you would otherwise.

Mikhail

none of your god damn business

Rick

I just want to know if it is fruitful and if it's worth doing.

if it's worth makeing the effort i mean.

Mikhail

Its not

6 mins ago, by Mikhail

I'm forced to do consulting on the side. It's kinda like when you get robbed at a bar, somebody makes you buy drugs for way off market value. Then you can't complain to the cops.

Rick

how are you forced to do it.

Mikhail

"You can't graduate until you do work for my company"

Yes, among other things including authorship, equipment, or paper submissions.

Rick

1:02 AM

Can't you just get a job at google or something. They won't even care if you have phd.

They will also pay you more.

Mikhail

Probably. I mean some of these places made offers during undergrad. Anyways, the underlying calculation is that I'll have the degree in few years.

But it wasn't fun. I fucked it up by being too productive.

Rick

I don't think Phd will yield better pay for you in the future. I think smart companies know that University already burned you out.

Mikhail

Its not about money its about being better than you

TelKitty

Mik, omg u need 2 be smarter than that ... if u wannabe 'successful', the right way is to become a professor so you can rip off ur PhD student and get them to work for nothing then you can sell the product in your own company.

It's dark, it's filthy, but it's somewhat allowed by the current society.

Rick

you mean socially, like for a piece of paper. But if you became a doctor you would have been higher on the social ladder.

Mikhail

1:09 AM

yes

I have a love hate relationship with doctors, the ones I work with, mostly pathologists have the kind of dark humor and sarcasm I admire in men. On the other hand they get paid way too fucking much. In some cases pigeons can do their jobs.

When the revolution comes we get them too

Seph Reed

First big pharma.

Mikhail

small pharma was pretty fucking terrible

Seph Reed

I just mean in order of beheadings, my vote is for big pharma first.

Mikhail

Can we do small pharma first? Those are the guys who buy out a niche drug and then up the price.

Some small pharma is done under S-corp so everybody knows its a lie.

Rick

I never really understood academia, I don't think it's where the interesting stuff happens.

Seph Reed

1:15 AM

egg

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Its not about money its about being better than you

Mikhail

you can star it

Seph Reed

I was just trying to ref.

The real interesting stuff generally has to do with being attractive and traveling.

I mean, afaict.

TelKitty

IMHO, people who only see the appearance are never too bright. People who can't see through the true nature of things never get anywhere. Then one day they become depressed asking why the world is so dark. But the fundamental about this world has never changes, it's them who have been believing an illusion. The illusion sold by those who have long figured out how this world works. Don't blame others, you wouldn't improve yourself if you always contribute your failure on some external factor.

Mikhail

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^ like this guy

Rick

Work hard to paint the carpet, seems like a one-dimensional existence.

Seph Reed

1:20 AM

Granted some level of intelligence is needed to have a good life. But it's really not so much on the logical side. I mean, logically, being an emotionally intelligent, generally attractive person traveling to exotic places is almost certainly more fulfilling than programming. But I'm not emotionally intelligent or attractive, so this is pretty good for me.

Don't think about it much really. Just not trying to pretend that doesn't sound dope. Like I'd pass it up or something.

TelKitty

This is so repulsive, why do I love to watch this over and over again? Is it all about #youtoo movement? Also you probably need translation but pictures themselves explain much. </Trollololo>

Rick

how about when they get old and burnt out, with skid marks on their backs with the only thing in their head is a pop song.

Seph Reed

I'm in a nsfw position. Mind explaining?

@Rick Yoga and hippy shit.

If you've had enough good luck in life, you can believe the universe is good and loving.

Like the good part of childhood.

Rick

luck is a statistic that can be measured and exploited.

no one has a monopoly on good luck

Seph Reed

Yeah, but you need it to exploit it for more.

Also, I just can't imagine a lucky person having to think about any of this.

Ugly thoughts are not for the lucky. They get to take advatage of others, and see themselves as pure innocence.

Rick

1:27 AM

They don't need to, they understand it subconsciously.

Seph Reed

But only subconciously.

Rick

That's where it matters.

but technically if you are aware of it you can focus it.

Seph Reed

Nope. You've already lost.

Focus it or not, you'll never have the peace of mind of someone only subconciously aware.

Logic means boundaries of failure, and failure means worry. For them, it just is.

No worries, just magic.

TelKitty

My childhood was awesome, probably the problem girl in the whole class (of 50) - always late, constantly talking in the class and hardly did homework. Whole family on dad's side taught was in Academia in university. Travel a bit even before going to primary school because dad loves travelling.

Seph Reed

That sounds dope.

Rick

1:31 AM

subconscious reactions are like what pavlovas dog does when it's hungry. it's aimless.

Seph Reed

@Rick the universe is aimless. best to rip that band-aid off early.

I just do things for the feeling of progress. But it isn't real.

You can basically do coke and feel the same thing.

Rick

That's bull. The world is built by planning, iron, a force of will, and discipline.

The passive will lose whatever progress they made.

Seph Reed

And in a blink of the universal clock, it'll all disappear. I'm not saying these things mean nothing to me. Just that trying to act above a meandering amalgamation of poorly evolved instincts is a bit presumptuous.

We all suck. Really hard.

Some people get to have a better time. Even though they seemingly suck harder. Nothing to do about it.

TelKitty

2:00 AM

I believe there are people who are born with the happy disposition. There are happy people who contribute more to the society than the others, who has figured out the true nature of things around them. It's all about science (physics, biology, social science, etc). To get to your goal, you just have to correctly figure out all the rules, your resources and calculate a best way to get to the goal with the resources you have. To be happy, well, born with happy disposition helps.

IMHO, figure out true nature of things and how this world really works makes you happier in the long run.

Seph Reed

I think for those of us who brain heavy, this is the best procedure.

Mysticial

@Mikhail I got an email today that reads:

> Dear current/former NSF Fellow,

We are inviting you to be part of an anonymous on-line survey of NSF Graduate Research Fellows towards a research study on perverse incentives in research academia. This research study is being conducted by Virginia Tech researchers Drs. Marc Edwards and Siddhartha Roy as a follow-up to their research paper “Academic Research in the 21st Century: Maintaining Scientific Integrity in a Climate of Perverse Incentives and Hypercompetition”.

The survey questions will focus on undergraduate and graduate school experiences, with an emphasis on perceived academic…

Did you get anything similar?

Seph Reed

@thecoshman I think I've come up with a stupid name for the super script. The file types are .chpp. The name will be choppa. And the icon will be Arnold from Predator.

Mysticial

@Mikhail I'm not sure how big of their audience is. Or what their budget is. But if they're spamming this out to all the NSF Fellowship people, that's not a small list.

How did they get the email list too. The sent it to my undergrad alumni email address. But my NSF fellowship was for my graduate work at UIUC. Please tell me this wasn't a manual process.

Mikhail

2:25 AM

Well I either didn't get one or deleted it.

If a critical mass of scientists become untrustworthy, a tipping point is possible in which the scientific enterprise itself becomes inherently corrupt and public trust is lost, risking a new dark age with devastating consequences to humanity.

LOL

Academia and federal agencies should better support science as a public good, and incentivize altruistic and ethical outcomes, while de-emphasizing output.

Also LOL

Underlying problem with academia being bullshit is that scientists are allowed to waste time, for numerous reasons including reserving the right to self-police.

"Organization that hasn't done anything useful in decades, says it productivity should be de-emphasized"

The modern academic research enterprise, dubbed a “Ponzi Scheme” by The Economist, This article is failing to decoupling the "Ponzi Scheme" problem of working in a hostile environment with no career prospects with the zero productive output problem

Mysticial

Oh I do have a record of all my UIUC emails. Apparently I forwarded everything to my undergrad alumni account since I knew my UIUC email would die after I left.

Mysticial

2:58 AM

@Mikhail They're using some pretty strong language there. But the concept isn't wrong.

I can't say on what extent or how close we are to that point. (I'd say it's still pretty far away.)

Mikhail

Public trust has been lost in some institutions but we're seeing other places pick up the slack.

In a world of free information exchange, we are unlikely to experience a "dark age".

Mysticial

People are constantly cross-checking other people's work.

Mikhail

?

Mysticial

For example, in my pi program. I recently added dates to all the formulas. And someone in the math community (whom I didn't know) did actually reach out to me to correct an incorrect date.

The other example, I can't talk about for a couple more weeks. It will be obvious why when the time comes.

Mikhail

You had an encounter with somebody that had too much free time on their hands. This, among other reasons, is why I don't like the math community.

Mysticial

3:04 AM

You hate them because they have too much time on their hands? I didn't know they had times on their hands. lol

There was another instance, where I misattributed a formula to two people when it was really one of them that did all the work. That one didn't even last a week before the discover of the formula himself reached out to me to correct it.

Okay fine. Maybe they do have a lot of time on their hands.

Mikhail

Yes. Especially compared to the miasma that clouds other fields where you need to show results, and are held accountable rather than spending your time copying formulae from old soviet texts.

My theory is that there was a special connection between the "vision" driven Soviet society and the equally disconnected from reality practice of mathematics.

But at this point, anything that resembles a smile pisses me off, so don't take me too seriously.

Mysticial

:)

(:

:D

StackedCrooked

D:

Oh wait.

That's not a smile.

TelKitty

I don't get how people can be super busy or have too much time on their hands. Are we all being given 24 hours a day? It's all about priority and how you utilize your time.

Mikhail

B====D
^ Here is a more classy one with sunglasses

TelKitty

3:24 AM

I understand how Issac Newton or people who are personally taking care of 10+ kids can be busy. But most of the people aren't that great. We the mediocre shouldn't be that short of time. Let me stress it again, it's all about interests and priority.

traducerad

6:09 AM

@TelKitty absolutely

@Mgetz I am not sure to see at which moment exactly the ABI comes into play. Is it when you are eg doing a syscall that the OS's ABI intercepts the call, does some things with the CPU's register so the syscall can then be executed?

@Mgetz I feel like the issue here is the ABI not the compilers, as the ABI actually induces undefined behavior by not specifying this.

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