Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point of my post is that I think there are lots of gendered expectations that come along with being "conventionally attractive", and while the gendersphere rightfully encourages young women to talk about how young men enforce femininity, it doesn't necessarily allow young men to explore the ways in which they're gender-policed.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK, dude, I think we simply disagree at a fundamental level. I am going to leave this conversation be; feel free to take the last word.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, that's a totally reasonable way to live.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really don't want to be condescending but: have you ever interacted with average men? Short men? Poor men? Unconfident men? Have you ever noticed any patterns among the men that women tend to find attractive?

I am increasingly sensing that we won't find common ground here, which is too bad.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not concluding this in a vacuum, mach-2, and I'm not lauding them. I'm saying that these are the gendered minefields that young men navigate.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, you're taking it to an illogical extreme.

I don't think it's unreasonable (or really controversial) to postulate that, all other things equal, women prefer an above-average height man to a below-average height man.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, I did.

Is it not the generalization of male perspectives and preferences that we are combating in this sub? The fuck are you on about?

If this were purely the case, we could just replace all posts with "All men are individuals!"

Unfortunately, men and women experience the world different solely because of their gender. That's worth talking about, and that's why I made this post.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you think that only a fraction of women scrutinize men for their masculinity, and you think a significantly larger proportion of men scrutinize women for their femininity?

Do I understand you correctly?

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely I'm talking about western perspectives, because this website deals primarily with the west. However, if you think I should add that addendum to OP, I'm happy to do it.

You're generalising the preferences of half the population because you've grown up bombarded with this very notions.

If we can generalize male preferences, we can do the same with female preferences.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

For dating purposes - which my post is narrowly talking about - I think it's inarguable that young women scrutinize men's confidence, height, and many other Traditionally Masculine traits.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, do you disagree that women strongly prefer tall, broad-shouldered, successful men? The Traditionally Masculine stereotype, to a certain extent?

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I strongly believe that it's unreasonable to say that "men insist" that women perform femininity, while women just have a preference that men perform masculinity.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, I appreciate that you have different experiences. That said, I don't think I ever said "act like Randy Savage", and I think you perhaps misunderstand the number of young men who have access to higher education.

Frankly, my experiences aren't super in-line with the stories I read either. I'm university-educated, well-employed, and a fairly expressive man. I don't think it's fair to dismiss the guys who aren't like us.

Why feminist dating advice sucks by TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK in MensLib

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, that's kind of an uncharitable reading of what I wrote, but OK:

No, I'm saying that, as a man, you can disagree with the idea that you need to be

  • confident
  • tall
  • successful, or at least employed enough to buy dinner
  • tall, seriously
  • broad-shouldered
  • active, never passive
  • muscular
  • not showing too much emotion

while still acknowledging that doing those things is much more likely to get your foot in the door when it comes to dating.

Feminist women agree that men's insistence that women wear makeup is shitty, but lots of feminist women still put on red lipstick for first dates.

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