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3:15 AM
hears crickets
kicks a cricket
 
screams in pain
 
@zondo Oops. Sorry about that.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:09 AM
Hey are there any trackers for the mod election? I seem to remember there being one.
 
Vote counts aren't available for the real election, so no. It's only for the primaries.
 
5:24 AM
Oh cool.
 
5:48 AM
Can we have fireworks when elected mods are announced plox?
 
If you buy them, I'll set them off.
 
6:33 AM
Are current results secret?
 
Yes.
After the election, there will be a downloadable record of the (anonymous) votes, but they are secret now.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:44 AM
Goooooood morning, vietnam SO!
Wasn't there a "strikethrough" syntax for chat?
 
Yes
 
It's three hyphens, not two.
 
damnit
 
 
3 hours later…
10:48 AM
@BradLarson good point. I've had a lot to do with both these people @ArtOfCode and @Andy in charcoal and both have always been reasonable and active on the site. I have great respect for both of them. I wasn't going to vote for Art because of his rep, but your endorsement has changed my mind
 
@pydsigner The soprimaries.charcoal-se.org tracker is Undo's. He moved it to a shared server after the primary, and I changed the DNS over. It may be DNS caching, so clear your DNS cache. If not, then it's sporadically having load issues so it may be that.
 
@JigarJoshi: I really dislike that you didn't answer the questionnaire. In future I suggest candidates should be automatically removed for not answering it.
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Even if you were short of time. You could have scribbled something very brief.
 
 
4 hours later…
2:47 PM
@smci he isn't pingable in this room, which means he won't get the notification. To be pingable, you need to have visited the room in the last 7 days if I remember correctly. Jigar has never come in this room AFAIK
 
last seen: 190d ago
 
3:12 PM
Oh, thanks @AshishAhuja. For 2017, would people object if we made the questionnaire compulsory?
 
Nope, Not me atleast ;)
 
Is it a problem that he hasn't answered it?
I think the sooner we get an indication of a candidate's motivation, the better. Making the Q/A optional does help, then.
 
Not sure we should make it compulsory, but this scenario is ridiculous.
 
I'm not sure if he'd even have noticed if he was removed during the primaries.
 
3:38 PM
I'm new to chat rooms. What are all these UDP packets bouncing around? :P
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feeling ignored :(
exits room
 
Incoming test, don't panic...
 
Unofficial results: Winners are casperOne, Adam Lear, BoltClock, and NullUserException.
 
Welcome to 2011 everyone!
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3:59 PM
@Andy oh good - it's still 5 years until the world goes mad! :)
 
*4 years. Then a puppy will be made a mod and hell will break lose.
 
@JonClements Use the time wisely.
 
@BhargavRao Wow... time to retract a vote for someone (not saying I did/didn't vote for them) based on that remark :p
 
Hmm, I guess that someone is "Andy" because he asked you to use time wisely? :D
 
So far we have 2k more votes in 8 than we did in 7
 
4:08 PM
How many did we have in 7?
 
@Undo It's encouraging that people are definitely becoming more involved in elections :)
 
If there was some click-bait notification like "Want to get a silver badge without writing a new answer or asking a question? Click here to know more", then we would have more.
 
*more votes from people who don't care
 
Heh, true that.
 
4:18 PM
@lukya Yes I think it is important to have moderators with a diversity of programming experience (/tag coverage), I expect them to be capable of improving a problem or missing tag, not just closing questions en masse. I'm dismayed at the serious lack of constructive comment on Meta from some of the candidates.
 
@smci A moderator's primary focus is usually to handle flags. Closing / editing and re-opening questions is something the community can handle pretty well.
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I dare say, even, that the community handles a massive majority of that.
While it can be convenient for a moderator to know the language of the flagged Q/A, in a perfect world, the flag is described in a manner that requires no knowledge of the language at all.
 
@smci Programming experience is almost not required at all
 
@Cerbrus: they can't effectively handle flags if they don't understand what the questions, answers, comments and flags are actually about. Otherwise, they can't understand which ones are snark, legitimate comment, abuse, unconstructive comment.
 
> I expect them to be capable of improving a problem or missing tag,
That's a huge waste of a moderator's time
 
I'm pretty sure I can distinguish snark from a factual answer. No matter the programming language
 
4:25 PM
Any community member can do that
 
@smci Here, stackoverflow.com/a/40746836/4099593, Can't we all agree that it's a NAA?
We do not need C# knowledge for that.
 
"Otherwise, they can't understand which ones are snark, legitimate comment, abuse, unconstructive comment."

That has almost nothing to do with technical understanding and more to do with an strong ability to read and write English.
 
Damn, Ed deleted that answer at the wrong time :D
 
@smci My point is that flags that don't clearly point out why a Q/A is bad, usually get declined.
 
Why oh why can't I add one line of block quote and one line of not block quote :(
 
4:27 PM
@meagar Please read what I wrote more carefully. I said I expect them to have the knowledge level to do that or understand when it's the underlying issue - I do not expect them to do actually do much of it. Sure, dealing with repetitive or low-grade crap is most of the jobdesc.
 
@meagar because chat
 
@meagar: You haven't waited 6-8 weeks to respond.
 
@smci I read and reread what you wrote, my replies all still stand
 
@BhargavRao you didn't indicate which of the three answers you considered to be NAA? (BL, JD OR M)
 
Yeah, Ed ( a moderator ) deleted it
The text of the answer is here sentinel.erwaysoftware.com/posts/2850
> I am having the same issue. I added the needed components, setting correct minimum targets and intellisense is not picking it up. tried restarting app as well.
 
4:31 PM
@smci He linked to the deleted one.
 
So, Can you clearly demarcate a answer from a NAA without domain knowledge? Yes
 
@meagar You misrepresented what I said. I never said I expect moderators to waste "huge time" dealing with tag issues, or even hardly any time. I said I expect them to have the knowledge level to know what the hell they're doing, which often is not the case. Good intentions only get us so far.
 
A moderators job involves many such similar flags. They do not need domain knowledge to tell that the flag is warranted or not.
If a particular flag needs "domain expertise" then that particular user who has raised that flag has not understood the meaning of that flag.
(Bit AFK, Forgot that I had a meeting now)
 
@smci So when you said you expect them to be able to do something, the logical assumption that you also expect them to do that thing doesn't follow?
Why does it matter if they can do something if it's not something you expect them to do, and it's not something they're going to be doing?
 
@BhargavRao and Cerbrus: that one's easy, clearly it's either VLQ or NAA. If "I added the needed components" is supposed to refer to specific Nuget packages in specific libraries, then it's around the borderline of VLQ and NAA.
 
4:37 PM
It doesn't attempt to answer the question -> NAA
 
> I am having the same issue. I added the needed components, <specific components>, setting correct minimum targets and intellisense is not picking it up. tried restarting app as well. tried <code> as well
It is still a NAA
 
@meagar Please stop the snark. I expect them to know when closing is not the solution. I expect them to able to discern when flag activity highlights a legitimately unclear, ambiguous issue, legitimate difference of opinion, missing or problem tag, etc. vs when it's simply users behaving badly or messing around. I expect them to be capable of occasionally formulating the odd constructive proposal on Meta, maybe every six months.
 
No snark is present
 
I'm telling this after flagging 12,252 posts as NAAs, And I've not got the domain expertise of all those.
No no @smci, You're not understanding the basic premise of a moderators job. :(
 
yeah, my impression is that a mod's job is designed to only consist of janitorial tasks that require an understanding of SO standards, both official and based on established community consensus. you can say you want some non-job-related knowledge, but that's not super persuasive to anyone else
 
4:40 PM
@smci Is that not the case for any of the current (serious) candidates?
@Frank: that pretty much sums it up
 

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