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Those Who Leave and Those Who Stay (L'amica geniale #3)
Since the publication of My Brilliant Friend, the first of the Neapolitan novels, Elena Ferrante's fame as one of our most compelling, insightful, and stylish contemporary authors has grown enormously. She has gained admirers among authors--Jhumpa Lahiri, Elizabeth Strout, Claire Messud, to name a few--and critics--James Wood, John Freeman, Eugenia Williamson, for example.
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Paperback, 418 pages
Published
September 2nd 2014
by Europa Editions
(first published 2013)
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This book left me speechless.
I've spent the last few weeks reading Ferrante's Neapolitan novels, and I have grown increasingly attached to her two main characters, Elena and Lila. These women are so well-drawn and seem so real that I was anxious about what will happen to them. When I finished this book last night — on the edge of my seat, by the way, because there was yet another dramatic ending — I was so unsteady that I had to rest a moment, pondering the fates of the women.
I refuse to spoil a ...more
I've spent the last few weeks reading Ferrante's Neapolitan novels, and I have grown increasingly attached to her two main characters, Elena and Lila. These women are so well-drawn and seem so real that I was anxious about what will happen to them. When I finished this book last night — on the edge of my seat, by the way, because there was yet another dramatic ending — I was so unsteady that I had to rest a moment, pondering the fates of the women.
I refuse to spoil a ...more
I finished this today, the day Elena Ferrante’s identity has reportedly been revealed. I confess I feel a bit guilty now because while reading this there were several times I found myself wishing I knew how much was fiction and how much autobiography. I wondered this because it struck me that when Lila disappears from the pages so too does the electric charge Ferrante’s writing has. Ferrante writes well about Elena’s initiation into university life, the Milan literati, Italian political unrest,
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4.5 stars Review to come. But obviously it was great.
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Ok, now that I've had time to come up with some thoughts--though, no promises that they will be coherent--I can attempt to write a review of this one. Like the 2 preceding novels in the Neapolitan novels series by the fabulous Elena Ferrante, this one is quite hard to rate on its own. The stories are so dependent on one another, and Ferrante so excellently doles out information that your reading of 1 book in the series seriously affects you ...more
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Ok, now that I've had time to come up with some thoughts--though, no promises that they will be coherent--I can attempt to write a review of this one. Like the 2 preceding novels in the Neapolitan novels series by the fabulous Elena Ferrante, this one is quite hard to rate on its own. The stories are so dependent on one another, and Ferrante so excellently doles out information that your reading of 1 book in the series seriously affects you ...more
”Each of us narrates our life as it suits us.” ~Lila Cerullo
Mount Vesuvius simmers on the edges of Naples, a dragon in slumber, a metaphor for the rumbling, teeming city that erupts in violence without warning. The view of the volcano's hulking presence, seen through the windows of an upscale apartment, serves as proof that one has risen above the squalor of “the neighborhood” to arrive in the loftier heights. But no amount of money or education can sand away the rough resentments of those raise ...more
Mount Vesuvius simmers on the edges of Naples, a dragon in slumber, a metaphor for the rumbling, teeming city that erupts in violence without warning. The view of the volcano's hulking presence, seen through the windows of an upscale apartment, serves as proof that one has risen above the squalor of “the neighborhood” to arrive in the loftier heights. But no amount of money or education can sand away the rough resentments of those raise ...more
Series described as, inter alia, Passionate, Vicious, Intimate, Sweeping, Challenging, Flummoxing, Ferocious, High Stakes, Subversive and Blisteringly Good on Bad Sex
If you've not started reading them, WHY NOT?


Neapolitan actress Valeria Golino [Hot, Hot, Hot]
The 3d of the "Neapolitan Novels" tetralogy by Italian novelist Elena Ferrante (a pseudonym). Ms. Ferrante says she considers the four volumes to constitute one novel. Instead of giving an overall description of the books again, I'll just ...more
If you've not started reading them, WHY NOT?


Neapolitan actress Valeria Golino [Hot, Hot, Hot]
The 3d of the "Neapolitan Novels" tetralogy by Italian novelist Elena Ferrante (a pseudonym). Ms. Ferrante says she considers the four volumes to constitute one novel. Instead of giving an overall description of the books again, I'll just ...more
From the beginning, the reading of Ferrante has been a visceral experience. Yet, reading her standalone novels first did not prepare for me for what a hyperrealistic fever dream these Neapolitan Novels have been. Unlike hyperrealistic works of visual art where what is underneath proves that the picture is not real, what is underneath here seems all too real. Upon finishing this installment I even felt guilty, as if I were complicit in the character's decisions.
The narrator's scholarly work on ma ...more
The narrator's scholarly work on ma ...more
Political turmoil rages through the Italian landscape when Elena finally gets married to her professor, Pietro Airota, and Lila has settled down living with Enzo. Their worlds are a million miles apart as far as the two different lifestyles they have chosen is concerned.
It doesn't take long for Elena to realize, what Lila could have told her anyway:
It doesn't take long for Elena to realize, what Lila could have told her anyway:
Marriage by now seemed to me an institution that, contrary to what one might think, stripped coitus of all humanity."Years pass in which they do no ...more
Reading Elena Ferrante's trilogy has been a marathon of never ending awe. I'm still electrified from reading the last volume. Lila and lena will stay with me for a very very long time. Pleease read "My Brilliant Friend" trilogy and keep in mind that it gets better and better and better and better as you turn each page.
Elena is married, living in Florence with a husband she fights with often.
They have two daughters.....making her life even more complicated. Choices need to be made. Will she leave....or will she stay? And regardless of her choice--what else has to happen? For her? Her children? Husband? Is being happy with yourself dependent on if you stay OR leave?
Basically- Elena is not content as a Betty Crocker type domestic-woman.
She spends a great amount of time evaluating her every move, her every thou ...more
They have two daughters.....making her life even more complicated. Choices need to be made. Will she leave....or will she stay? And regardless of her choice--what else has to happen? For her? Her children? Husband? Is being happy with yourself dependent on if you stay OR leave?
Basically- Elena is not content as a Betty Crocker type domestic-woman.
She spends a great amount of time evaluating her every move, her every thou ...more
"Ferrante’s singularity is to make a glory of introspection and turn it into theatre. There’s a dark ardour present in her writing, and a thrilling physicality to her metaphors, boldly translated by Ann Goldstein. She speaks of “the anxious pleasure of violence”, of desire feeling “like a drop of rain in a spiderweb”. Her charting of the rivalries and sheer inscrutability of female friendship is raw. This is high-stakes, subversive literature."
Catherine Taylor for The Telegraph
A theatre of intro ...more
Catherine Taylor for The Telegraph
A theatre of intro ...more
I NEVER WANT TO READ ABOUT NINO AGAIN
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Okay, I've calmed down enough to write a review (more like a "review") so that I can move on to the next book. This installment was the most frustrating one to read thus far. It feels disjointed and the entire middle of the book is sloooooow. It's hard to tell if this is an artistic choice - does the reader have to experience the same sort of ennui that Elena does as a new mother? if so, are hundreds of pages appropriate? - or if the story simply drags ...more
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Okay, I've calmed down enough to write a review (more like a "review") so that I can move on to the next book. This installment was the most frustrating one to read thus far. It feels disjointed and the entire middle of the book is sloooooow. It's hard to tell if this is an artistic choice - does the reader have to experience the same sort of ennui that Elena does as a new mother? if so, are hundreds of pages appropriate? - or if the story simply drags ...more
Originally published on my blog, ShouldaCouldaWoulda Books.
Hello and welcome back to the third edition of Kelly Freaks Out Over Elena Ferrante Theater!
I hope that you didn’t come in here with the expectation that this was going to be the time that I got disillusioned with Elena, did you? Because that seems unlikely to happen. Ever. At least not with these Neapolitan novels. These things are like crack brownie ice cream pot (insert more adjectives that indicate addiction and deliciousness here) s ...more
Hello and welcome back to the third edition of Kelly Freaks Out Over Elena Ferrante Theater!
I hope that you didn’t come in here with the expectation that this was going to be the time that I got disillusioned with Elena, did you? Because that seems unlikely to happen. Ever. At least not with these Neapolitan novels. These things are like crack brownie ice cream pot (insert more adjectives that indicate addiction and deliciousness here) s ...more
SEI PROPRIO UNA BRAVA RAGAZZA, POVERA TE
Due nomi, belli come Elena e Raffaella, storpiati in Lenù e Lina, o Lila.
Due donne, belle, intelligenti, sensibili, con almeno una marcia in più, rivoltate come calzini, esplorate nei loro sentimenti più ingarbugliati e molesti, scandagliate, scarnificate, messe a nudo negli aspetti peggiori, al punto che la mia mediocrità si sente meno sola, e a volte, perfino, superiore.
Scavare nelle parole e tra le parole, in quello che ci gonfia e rompe, nel lato osc ...more
Due nomi, belli come Elena e Raffaella, storpiati in Lenù e Lina, o Lila.
Due donne, belle, intelligenti, sensibili, con almeno una marcia in più, rivoltate come calzini, esplorate nei loro sentimenti più ingarbugliati e molesti, scandagliate, scarnificate, messe a nudo negli aspetti peggiori, al punto che la mia mediocrità si sente meno sola, e a volte, perfino, superiore.
Scavare nelle parole e tra le parole, in quello che ci gonfia e rompe, nel lato osc ...more
Oh, Elena! Como conheces tão bem o ser humano!
Li em nove dias as cerca de novecentas e cinquenta páginas dos três primeiros livros das Crónicas Napolitanas. E, agora, lamento-me por não conseguir ler em inglês, ou italiano, para ir desencantar, em qualquer lado, o volume final das vidas de Lila e Lenù...
Estes três livros merecem a melhor review que eu poderia ser capaz de fazer, no entanto, sinto-me sem as palavras que lhes façam justiça. Talvez no final consiga...
Por agora, deixo-lhe um Sol (r ...more
Li em nove dias as cerca de novecentas e cinquenta páginas dos três primeiros livros das Crónicas Napolitanas. E, agora, lamento-me por não conseguir ler em inglês, ou italiano, para ir desencantar, em qualquer lado, o volume final das vidas de Lila e Lenù...
Estes três livros merecem a melhor review que eu poderia ser capaz de fazer, no entanto, sinto-me sem as palavras que lhes façam justiça. Talvez no final consiga...
Por agora, deixo-lhe um Sol (r ...more
4.25 stars
Part three of the Neapolitan series. It's a continuation of the ever fascinating lives of the girls from the neighbourhood, Lila and Lenu. Their evolution and their friendship, still complex, is still compelling.
While reading this, I had some thoughts:
1) Amid all the fighting and drama (of which there is a never-ending supply), NO ONE seems to be having good sex!
2) Lila is so unlikeable, about 99.9% of the time. I have a hard time understanding why Lenu hangs onto her. Some of the thin ...more
Part three of the Neapolitan series. It's a continuation of the ever fascinating lives of the girls from the neighbourhood, Lila and Lenu. Their evolution and their friendship, still complex, is still compelling.
While reading this, I had some thoughts:
1) Amid all the fighting and drama (of which there is a never-ending supply), NO ONE seems to be having good sex!
2) Lila is so unlikeable, about 99.9% of the time. I have a hard time understanding why Lenu hangs onto her. Some of the thin ...more
Dizia para comigo que a maturidade consistia em aceitar o rumo que a vida tomara sem nos agitarmos muito, traçar um sulco entre a rotina diária e aquisições teóricas, aprendermos a olhar para nós, a conhecermo-nos, enquanto esperamos por grandes mudanças."Comparativamente com os dois livros anteriores, esta História de Quem Vai e de Quem Fica retira um pouco o foco das protagonistas, direccionando-o para as tensões sociais e políticas de uma Itália agora em plena década de 1970 – o fervilh ...more
Também eu fui contagiada pela ferrantefever, e neste momento a única terapêutica é saber como isto vai acabar.
Nestes dias de leitura e em conversas a propósito da mesma, tenho tido alguma dificuldade em explicar o tema dos livros. É que, se para o primeiro volume é aceitável dizer que é a história da amizade entre duas raparigas e da vida no bairro onde vivem, nos seguintes a narrativa vai ganhar densidade a nível pessoal das personagens, assim como aprofundar temas com raízes bem reais e mostr ...more
Nestes dias de leitura e em conversas a propósito da mesma, tenho tido alguma dificuldade em explicar o tema dos livros. É que, se para o primeiro volume é aceitável dizer que é a história da amizade entre duas raparigas e da vida no bairro onde vivem, nos seguintes a narrativa vai ganhar densidade a nível pessoal das personagens, assim como aprofundar temas com raízes bem reais e mostr ...more
YOU GUYS!!! i am currently having major angst. i somehow managed to totally miss the fact that there will be a 4th book in this series.... and that it does not come out until september, 2015. (i stay away from reviews until i have had a chance to read a book (books) for myself.) so while this series was all over my radar, i did not know too much about the books at all. so now... i have to wait to find out where this is all going. i am really at loose ends here. and a little twitchy.
anyway... my ...more
anyway... my ...more
This third book in The Neapolitan Novels was just as good as the other two. I think what is the most interesting about this series is to see how the two protagonists, Elena and Lila, grow up and develop from children to adults. In this book, it becomes clear that they develop in different ways and create a distance in their friendship, but still the tense dynamics between them was maintained.
I'm pretty eager to read the last book in this series and see how everything ends :)
I'm pretty eager to read the last book in this series and see how everything ends :)
This book was pretty readable and I'm curious to find out what happens to the characters after having read the two previous books in this series but there are literally no likeable characters at all. They're all such insufferable self obsessed arseholes who are hideous to each other and completely self involved. Really weird. I guess I'll read the last one cause this one certainly ended on a cliffhanger.
A escrita de Elena Ferrante é como um rio sem pontes, que me obriga a olhar para a corrente. Deixa ficar abismos nos quais os meus sentimentos se perdem e, inexplicavelmente , se reencontram.
5 ( cinco ) estrelas.
5 ( cinco ) estrelas.
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What to say about this amazing book?!! I've been pondering this question for days as I absorb the intensity of my experience with this third in the Neopolitan Novels series. I want to emphasize the thought of "my experience" with this book, rather than say "after reading this book". As I said in my review of book two The Story of a New Name:
When reading these books, the world falls away and I am living with the characters . . .
. . .the true beauty of Ferrante's writing is how easy it is to lose ...more
When reading these books, the world falls away and I am living with the characters . . .
. . .the true beauty of Ferrante's writing is how easy it is to lose ...more
Podia dizer tanta coisa acerca deste livro que nem sei por onde começar...
As reviravoltas constantes fizeram-me pensar em como na nossa vida é mesmo assim... achamos que as coisas são como são e mais tarde descobrimos que afinal se calhar não são... fazemos coisas que achamos que fazemos porque queremos e depois ironias do destino mostram-nos por A+B que não queríamos fazê-las... apaixonamo-nos ou acreditamos que sim até o destino nos mostrar que o amor é outra coisa...
Acredito piamente que ex ...more
As reviravoltas constantes fizeram-me pensar em como na nossa vida é mesmo assim... achamos que as coisas são como são e mais tarde descobrimos que afinal se calhar não são... fazemos coisas que achamos que fazemos porque queremos e depois ironias do destino mostram-nos por A+B que não queríamos fazê-las... apaixonamo-nos ou acreditamos que sim até o destino nos mostrar que o amor é outra coisa...
Acredito piamente que ex ...more
I love Elena Ferrante's Neapolitan novels, of which Those Who Leave and Those Who Stay is the third volume. This one is as wonderful as the first, My Brilliant Friend. I also loved the second volume, The Story of a New Name, but maybe a little less than the first, with the friends Lila and Elena (our narrator) as children and then teenagers. In The Story of a New Name, we follow Elena as she leaves the violent, impoverished neighborhood of her childhood, going to university and then becoming a p
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The third of Elena Ferrante's remarkable Neapolitan novels. Alas, even as I acknowledge her genius, I grow bit weary and ever so slightly critical. The complexity of the love-hate relationship between Lenu and Lila is the cause of my weariness--what is really going on here? Perhaps that is the point: the relationships that are the most important in our lives are never fully understood. Still, I am suffocating a bit after 1500 pages watching the rubix cube of their relationship turned into such a
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Writer Charles Finch says, "I read Elena Ferrante’s Neapolitan trilogy this year. I read it twice, actually. It made me want to quit writing." This is because he says he realized that this is what truly naturalistic writing is and presumably he doesn't have what she has. He is envious of her psychologicaly inward style and admires her for not foregoring plot in the process. In that, she is, according to Finch, even better than Philip Roth.
Whoa. This kicks the latest Ferrante accolades up a sill ...more
Whoa. This kicks the latest Ferrante accolades up a sill ...more
This third novel in the series follows Lila and Elena into their 30's. They are both strong women in different ways (as all women are), both trying to find love, find themselves, make life better (as all women do).
They are bound by their love, and sometimes hatred and envy, for each other, wanting the best for their friend, but each afraid of being abandoned by the other. Once again, the end of the book leaves the reader wanting more.
This is an incredible series of books, building in intensity a ...more
They are bound by their love, and sometimes hatred and envy, for each other, wanting the best for their friend, but each afraid of being abandoned by the other. Once again, the end of the book leaves the reader wanting more.
This is an incredible series of books, building in intensity a ...more
Oh Elena, you idiotic hypocritical nincompoop! Some characters you love to hate, some you hate to love. Lenuccia is one you don't feel sorry for nor just dislike, but merely loathe at the end of this book. As this soap opera filled tetralogy comes to a close with the next volume, I can say that I haven't read anything quite like this before and Ferrante is not just another hyped up author, but the real deal. Onto 'the finale' soon...
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Elena Ferrante is a pseudonymous Italian novelist.
Ferrante is the author of a half dozen novels, including The Lost Daughter (originally published as La figlia oscura, 2006).
In 2012, Europa Editions began publication of English translations of Ferrante's "Neapolitan Novels", a series about two perceptive and intelligent girls from Naples who try to create lives for themselves within a violent and ...more
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Ferrante is the author of a half dozen novels, including The Lost Daughter (originally published as La figlia oscura, 2006).
In 2012, Europa Editions began publication of English translations of Ferrante's "Neapolitan Novels", a series about two perceptive and intelligent girls from Naples who try to create lives for themselves within a violent and ...more
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“Each of us narrates our life as it suits us.”
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“Leave, instead. Get away for good, far from the life we’ve lived since birth. Settle in well-organized lands where everything really is possible. I had fled, in fact. Only to discover, in the decades to come, that I had been wrong, that it was a chain with larger and larger links: the neighborhood was connected to the city, the city to Italy, Italy to Europe, Europe to the whole planet. And this is how I see it today: it’s not the neighborhood that’s sick, it’s not Naples, it’s the entire earth, it’s the universe, or universes. And shrewdness means hiding and hiding from oneself the true state of things.”
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