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Loqi [indieweb] "Updated my social blogging CMS #Known to version 0.9.2 - Had to download latest twitter plugin. #withknown #indieweb" by Andreas Petersell http://petersell.com/2016/updated-my-social-blogging-cms-known-to-version-092
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@jkphl @MarcoZehe Naja, Microformats sind einer DER Building Blocks des #IndieWeb, und insofern Ja, da gibt es mindestens ein paar hundert Leute. > (twtr.io/1DWZvYYVDJw)
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Jeena somehow, hm, look at https://twitter.com/jeena/status/740458145273794565 everyone in this discussion has their own website and originally posted from it, still everybody answers to the tweet instead to the original post
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@jeena My IndieWebCamp t-shorts with the new logo arrived! But next time we need to g... more at https://jeena.net/photos/233 [photo] (twtr.io/1DUVnp7f9b5)
# Jeena which breaks tools like this: http://thready.notenoughneon.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjeena.net%2Fcomments%2F703
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pfefferle !tell GWG yes, so it is easier to understand you changes and your thoughts behind them. And it's easier to discuss changes.
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# Jeena sknebel, and obviously I don't think we should change how thready works, we should change peoples behaviour imho
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gnb.io created /User:Gnb.io (+303) "Created page with "==Current Status== * Site uses [[WordPress]] * Offers a shortener version/redirect at gb1.co == Wordpress Details== * Modified theme to bring in Indieweb features and post for..."" (view diff)
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@Inkwater_Masha #Infographic: 15 ways to create a book title http://www.knockinbooks.com/blog/infographic-15-amazing-ways-to-create-a-book-title?platform=hootsuite #amwriting #indieauth (twtr.io/1DX4ynjzzvj)
# Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 31 minutes ago: yes, so it is easier to understand you changes and your thoughts behind them. And it's easier to discuss changes. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465461277596
# Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: one feedback for example: INDENTS ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465461338115
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@grantpotter "Will we fight for the web we want or let it be taken away?" @ForEveryoneFilm http://www.foreveryone.net/about/ #indieweb #indieedtech (twtr.io/1DX6durdZTU)
# Loqi [indieweb] ""Will we fight for the web we want or let it be taken away?" @ForEveryoneFilm http://www.foreveryone.net/about/ #indieweb #indieedtech" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/will-we-fight-for-the-web-we-want-or-let
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GWG pfefferle: By the way, after the last pull request I sent you, the next one is going to bring the code to specification on looking for target before source.
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petermolnar GWG: ":set listchars=eol:¬,tab:>·,trail:~,extends:>,precedes:<," and ":set list"; this will show non-space tabs
# GWG pfefferle: I want to bring over the comment walker and iterate on that to include in Semantic Linkbacks. So any theme can use it.
# GWG The plugin I wrote answered that by including a comment template and a comment walker and letting either be enabled.
# GWG pfefferle: Potentially doable. But without editing the template, is there a way to filter the comments?
# pfefferle will commit it also later today... it is still experimental, but I will make a new branch
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# GWG pfefferle: Like putting the source into the $commentdata so Semantic Linkbacks doesn't have to pull it a second time. Core does that for pingbacks now.
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@timweston I've been getting excited about #IndieWebCamp lately and now I have a to-do list a mile long. Thanks @t @werd et al 😉 (twtr.io/1DX9YK9hicb)
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# Loqi [indieweb] "Orbit distributed peer-to-peer chat application on #IPFS https://github.com/haadcode/orbit - demo at https://t.co/efQLvLIc2g #indieweb" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/orbit-distributed-peer-to-peer-chat-application-on-ipfs-haadcodeorbit---demo
# @grantpotter Orbit distributed peer-to-peer chat application on #IPFS https://github.com/haadcode/orbit - demo at http://orbit.libp2p.io/ #indieweb (twtr.io/1DXCUu7wS5s)
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@tedcurran #nowreading Locking the Web Open: A Call for a Distributed Web | Brewster Kahle's Blog http://brewster.kahle.org/2015/08/11/locking-the-web-open-a-call-for-a-distributed-web-2/ #indieweb #openweb (twtr.io/1DXFJLMjSaj)
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@martinlindner ein "best of illich" zu lesen, ist ein erhellender spaß. ich müsste das alles aus der #indieweb-perspektive sammeln & neu durchdenken. (twtr.io/1DXFV9KXLp4)
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# xavierrroy when I sign on using indieauth on sites, it shows my profile as domainname/profile/user. Is htere a setting/way to configure it point to my domain?
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# tantek aaronpk: it's a small article, but I started keeping track of changes we had to make to our MediaWiki install here: https://indiewebcamp.com/mediawiki-customization
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ben_thatmustbeme xavierrroy: not sure, not really a known user. there is a #knownchat, but if that is inactive it pushes you over to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/known-dev
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snarfed !tell emmak re http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09#t1465457742823 , happy to help you make thready support silos if you want! (cc Jeena sknebel)
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# tantek !tell adactio,Jeena,aaronpk,kylewm could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where
# tantek !tell kylewm in particular the sooner you can create an indie event for HWC SF the better, so we can add RSVPs as another example for snarfed's talk today at Internet Archive (and to be able to invite people there in person to come to HWC next week!) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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# Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 minutes ago: could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489183059
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miklb oh wow, I just realized that once I figure out this change to the webmention plugin, I won't have to include the hidden link in my articles for bridgy POSSE
# @grantpotter #DWebSummit demos livestreaming at https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb (twtr.io/1DXPikZV3HL)
# Loqi [indieweb] "#DWebSummit demos livestreaming at https://youtu.be/PfWgin3JlAU #indieweb" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/dwebsummit-demos-livestreaming-at-pfwgin3jlau-indieweb
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[shaners] Jeena I put your photo post URL in my in-reply-to field. I just don't have Webmentions working yet.
# [shaners] http://veganstraightedge.com/notes/2016/06/08/jeena-you-re-welcome-to-print-new-shirt-or-stickers-anytime-you-want-if-you-want-to-distro-eu
# Loqi [Shane Becker] @jeena You’re welcome to print new shirt or stickers anytime you want if you want to distro .eu.
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# Loqi [emmak]: snarfed left you a message 16 minutes ago: re http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09#t1465457742823 , happy to help you make thready support silos if you want! (cc Jeena sknebel) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489119852
# [emmak] !tell snarfed that would be awesome. was just thinking that showing tweets in the threads would be really cool :slightly_smiling_face:
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# [emmak] interesting that people also suggested that thready not supporting tweets is a forcing function to own your own posts
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aaronpk when I find a tweet i'm replying to that doesn't include a link to the original, that doesn't mean there isn't an original (my tweets for example)
# aaronpk given a tweet URL, find the user's website on their twitter profile, then look at their website feed for a post with a syndication property equal to the tweet URL
# aaronpk that would help me post more replies to peoples' individual sites even when i only find their tweets
# [emmak] i've started separating my replies to a different feed, but wondering if that would break your reply algorithm
# aaronpk bridgy uses that page too, otherwise it would miss finding posts that aren't on my home page
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# Loqi [indieweb] "SF Homebrew Website Club" https://kylewm.com/2016/06/jun-15-sf-homebrew-website-club
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# Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 48 minutes ago: could you confirm your location for next week's HWC and create an Indie Event (and FB POSSE copy) for it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489183059
# Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 46 minutes ago: in particular the sooner you can create an indie event for HWC SF the better, so we can add RSVPs as another example for snarfed's talk today at Internet Archive (and to be able to invite people there in person to come to HWC next week!) https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465489284093
# Loqi snarfed: [emmak] left you a message 32 minutes ago: that would be awesome. was just thinking that showing tweets in the threads would be really cool :slightly_smiling_face: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465490254158
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# kylewm I'll scout it today and confirm the location tonight, but the events are up if you want to use them for examples in snarfed's talk!
# snarfed thanks kylewm! no worries, i actually had to turn in my slides yesterday, but i'll definitely evangelize!
# kylewm I would've been surprised if you got in the minutiae of indieweb RSVPs in a lightning talk ;)
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@kevinmarks Is #indieweb the octopus connecting microformats with the open graph Kingdom? 🐙 https://twitter.com/lechatpito/status/434770786348322816 (twtr.io/1DXUgwL8a7j)
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# Loqi [indieweb] "1 – Distributed Web Summit: Lightning Talks and Workshops" by bobajeff http://www.decentralizedweb.net/schedule/#meetup
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# [shaners] Whoa. Not a quick change? That’s surprising to me. I expected it’d just be a simple change to your template. A wrapper div or a class on an existing div.
# aaronpk pretty much the only reason to add h-feed is to be able to give the feed a useful name, which means i have to have a way to generate a useful name for all my feeds
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@JayGreasley @davidpeach1 Hi David, I happened upon this - https://indiewebcamp.com/Laravel - are you working on it at all ? would love to read thoughts on it (twtr.io/1DXZ7uQ1SUG)
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# GWG Slowly wading through my commits to Pfefferle. Things get better the tenth time I rewrite them
# GWG I just had a good idea for another improvement while my brain was supposed to belong to my employer.
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# Loqi "You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @schnarfed: we of the indieweb are really excited to be here with you tackling these big exciting problems (twtr.io/1DX__S3FsfZ)
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@internetarchive IndieWeb Lightning Talk Now! #DWebSummit Watch: http://www.decentralizedweb.net https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/740975721128943616/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DX_gFwEjLG)
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @schnarfed: To tell my site about this it he uses webmention - source is his RSVP target is my event (twtr.io/1DX_rEWJYKC)
# tantek ... at the same time, try thinking small, try thinking incremental, and meet people where they are
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @schnarfed: ~100M sites already have microformats - your site may already be party indieweb (twtr.io/1DX_xu4BEzC)
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# tantek Q: could you explain relationship between IndieWebCamp technologies and W3C Social Web Working Group?
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @schnarfed: Microformats were created by people involved wiht indiewebcamp like @t (twtr.io/1DXa39d6KsY)
# @grantpotter @schnarfed https://snarfed.org/software bringing some #webmention #indieweb @withknown #indieweb love to #DWebSummit (twtr.io/1DXa3aBoa3U)
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# Loqi [indieweb] "@schnarfed https://snarfed.org/software bringing some #webmention #indieweb @withknown #indieweb love to #DWebSummit" by Grant Potter http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/schnarfed-software-bringing-some-webmention-indieweb-withknown-indieweb-love-to
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@lightcoin "With individual websites, how can we help people own their data?" @schnarfed #DWebSummit #indieweb https://twitter.com/lightcoin/status/740976805327167489/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DXa4WDWxd9)
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# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit q: can you explain the connection between indieweb and w3c SocailWG? (twtr.io/1DXa8_r062f)
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @schnarfed: we have brought many of the indieweb building blocks to socialwg and webmention and micropub are on standards track (twtr.io/1DXaC015_S8)
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@Johannes_Ernst Excellent #indieweb talk by @snarfed at the #DWebSummit. Leading with check-in's is a great demo idea. (twtr.io/1DXaPH32c54)
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# tantek snarfed, really appreciate your framing and tone of delivery, may try to emulate that in the future if you don't mind ;)
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# miklb but I'd very much like to share that with someone I've had a hard time explaining IndieWeb to
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# tantek those of you watching remote - could you add to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-09-dwebsummit-indieweb while those of us in the room are taking lunch?
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# tantek apologizes for the fuzziness of his photos, hands may have been shaking with excitement at snarfed's talk
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# [shaners] tantek: time for you to get a newer phone/ipod with a better camera for low/er light. to avoid blurriness.
# tantek aaronpk: depends on generation. iPod 5 touch has good a camera as top of the line iPhone 4S did IIRC
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# tantek.com edited /events/2016-06-09-dwebsummit-indieweb (+13) "video section - someone add link?" (view diff)
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@csarven @kevinmarks @schnarfed #microformats 1 lifespan ~5 years? mf2 isn't backwards comp. Longevity #fail, #centralised #indiewebcamp #DWebSummit (twtr.io/1DXh7y47ews)
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# aaronpk if you choose to only post ill-informed complaints on twitter rather than on your own website, i choose to ignore them
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# gRegorLove I wouldn't mind responding, but he's made his position on indieweb pretty clear already so probably not useful conversation to have.
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# Loqi [indieweb] "An indie wave for @joedale" by john http://johnjohnston.info/blog/an-indie-wave-for-joedale/
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# kylewm ^cool! I take back what I said about the tracker feed. also the guy sounds like he could be in the Arab Strap (which maybe just means scottish0
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# ben_thatmustbeme woah, webmention spam? http://werd.io/2014/single-user-withknown-sites-can-now-use-indieauth-and-micropub-idnoindiepub
# Loqi [Ben Werdmüller] Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
# @csarven @kevinmarks @schnarfed Epitome of irony! #indiewebcamp propaganda @googledocs . Eat your own dogfood 101: HTML @ your own site! #DWebSummit (twtr.io/1DXkfNfkkTU)
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@anomalily @ameliaabreu If you want to be a giant #indieweb dork, check out https://teacup.p3k.io/ by @aaronpk - posts your food/drink your site. (twtr.io/1DXkynUsn_Q)
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@ameliaabreu @anomalily @aaronpk I absolutely do not want to do that but do support y'all in all #indieweb endeavors 💗 (twtr.io/1DXm5VAGMUb)
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# Loqi [indieweb] "I think it's clear Nürnberg is doing their part to keep the #indieweb weird https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/740591008468107264" https://kylewm.com/2016/06/i-think-it-s-clear-nu-rnberg-is-doing-their-part
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@kylewmahan I think it's clear Nürnberg is doing their part to keep the #indieweb weird https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/740591008468107264 (twtr.io/1DXmSoF1hUG)
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[techlifeweb] Just heard about aaronpk 's Teacup via Twitter. Has anyone written something similar for checking into Movies/Shows they are watching?
# gRegorLove [techlifeweb]: I'm interested in something similar for books, though hadn't thought of it as a micropub app.
# gRegorLove I've yet to set up micropub, so I tend to think about the simpler version of posting these things directly via my site.
# xavierrroy I would love that: a simple form to enter a book title and maybe pull in the data from amazon and maybe a couple of radio buttons to mark as nowreading/completed.
# aaronpk definitely make it as a micropub client! that way everyone can use it with their own sites!
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# Loqi To read or reading is the act of viewing and interpreting posts or other documents; on the IndieWeb, a read post expresses that something has been read, like a book or section thereof https://indiewebcamp.com/reading
# xavierrroy right now, i'm using simile and google spreadsheets to display it: http;//xavierroy.com/library
# xavierrroy @gregorlove: I have that one also usinghte same google spreadsheet :-) https://xavierroy.github.io/books/
# gRegorLove Nice, xavierrroy! You should add yourself to the examples on /reading (if you want to :))
# gRegorLove I'm sure implementing micropub won't be hard, but if I do it I'd like to do it as a ProcessWire plugin and I'm not sure how that will work since PW can have any page hierarchy the owner sets up. It's a framework more than a "here are the blog posts, here are the notes, etc."
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# [shaners] I haven’t watched it yet. But Cory Doctorow posted his talk from DW. http://boingboing.net/2016/06/09/how-will-we-keep-the-decentral.html
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@iwontsignuphere guys, day 2 of the #indieweb summit gallery is online now! <3 https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157666820775883 (twtr.io/1DXrHCnP0Bj)
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# miklb well crud. I sent a webmention to bridgy for my note, but since the URL isn't on the post, it won't accept it.
# @iwontsignuphere guys, day 2 of the #indieweb summit gallery is online now! <3 https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157666820775883 https://twitter.com/iwontsignuphere/status/741022748844130304/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DXrVDxyNrj)
# miklb I think I can slip the link in html though. That wasn't a problem, it was getting Jekyll to use it for sending
# Loqi [indieweb] "Building the First Amendment Into the Web and Other Hopes for the Internet’s Future" http://www.newsweek.com/building-first-amendment-web-and-other-hopes-internets-future-468597
# gRegorLove Re: the accessibility talk this past weekend, is there a preferred/best practice way for marking up a caption for a photo?
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# aaronpk http://www.newsweek.com/building-first-amendment-web-and-other-hopes-internets-future-468597
# aaronpk i'm assuming this is the same reason that multiple people tend to get rolled into one when a true story gets adapted for a movie
# [benatwork] true story: according to almost all of our news coverage, Elgg was written by the University of Brighton
# miklb stage 1 of micropub -> bridgy POSSE complete. Thank you everyone for your help and putting up with my droning on about it
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@misuba I'll repeat something I've asked #indieweb: what might we gain from moving from "you own your data" to "we own our data"? #DWebSummit (twtr.io/1DXvUe6iNXU)
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# [shaners] I don’t think there’s an improvement in moving from first person singular to first person plural.
# [shaners] Who is the “we”? Do “we” own a shared repository of “our” collective data? Or do “we” *each* own *our* respective data?
# [benatwork] I think mike’s question is about whether cooperatives / community ownership might be more scaleable than individual ownership
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# [benatwork] From my spotty attendance of the live feed I feel like it was partially addressed at the event, too
# [shaners] “You” can still refer to a collective / coop, bc English doesn’t have a second person plural different from the second person singular.
# tantek shaners - I don't really understand the tweet, seems mostly like a theoretical question disconnected from anything real
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# [benatwork] I’m not sure I completely agree - collective ownership / co-operative running are ideas that work in the real world. But thinking about how that might be represented in code is breaking my brain a bit.
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# aaronpk I totally agree that community owned things are useful too. We have a community wiki for example.
# aaronpk I just don't think that's expressed very well in his tweet or in how he's asked about it in the past
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# [shaners] There’s also ambiguity of we and our. Like, did I get to have a choice in being including in your concept of “our”? Are you owning my data with my consent? Can I freely leave the we? If I do, does my piece of the our come with me or stay behind or both?
# [shaners] "Your content is yours” (as gregorlove points to) is direct and unambiguous (or at least, less ambiguous) which I like.
# gRegorLove Kinda related: We talked about shared hosting at the summit, and the possibility of someone managing a server and spinning up instances of blogs for a group/community, to make that whole process easier.
# [kylewm] I still like that concept… if the people on the shared server are real-life-friends and there is some concept of sharing the cost
# aaronpk i used to host journals for friends. Wasn't open for general signup but I would make accounts for people I knew
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# @kevinmarks “IndieWeb helps produce software that lets people use the web how they want & keep their information to themselves.” http://www.newsweek.com/building-first-amendment-web-and-other-hopes-internets-future-468597 (twtr.io/1DXxxFuU8tL)
# [benatwork] I’ve run a server for my friends for the last decade or so. It’s where werd.io and my other personal experiments are stored. But it also hosted, among other things, a web community, a Stop Boris Johnson website, and maybe 15 or so blogs.
# [benatwork] (They don’t pay me. But one of my friends sysadmins for me, which is nice, because server administration and me are like china shops and bulls.)
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@indiewebcamp @misuba good question. Bring it up at the next Homebrew Website Club PDX for a good discussion! http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc ^@t (twtr.io/1Bo2feuXQaC)
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @kevinmarks: have you looked at using webmention to tell sites that they have been annotated? (twtr.io/1DXz_gN736f)
# @kevinmarks #DWebSummit @dwhly: we have and we're very excited by webmention - we'd love to get more done with it (twtr.io/1DXzbotV3rU)
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# [techlifeweb] Here's Vint Cerf's talk from Decentralized Web Summit. I intend to break out the other talks later. http://techlifeweb.com/vint-cerf-a-web-that-archives-itself-keynote-decentralized-web-summit-2016/
# Loqi [Scott Kingery] Vint Cerf – A Web that Archives Itself – Keynote Decentralized Web Summit 2016
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@ChrisAldrich @kevinmarks @dwhly I mentioned webmention to them a few months back during the @genius "scandal" in hopes of implementation #indieweb (twtr.io/1DY05dDxDTU)
# Loqi [indieweb] "@kevinmarks @dwhly I mentioned webmention to them a few months back during the @genius "scandal" in hopes of implementation #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/kevinmarks-dwhly-i-mentioned-webmention-to-them-a-few-months
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@JakeHartnell @t -> an early Grow-IoT prototype: https://github.com/CommonGarden/Grow-IoT #indieweb (twtr.io/1DY2SYXeE81)
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# @indiewebcamp @misuba repeating answer from before: https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/723586068793024512 ^@t (twtr.io/1DY37mmPcEg)
# tantek and the answer works again too, because the /next-hwc link is preserved in the old tweet as a redirect, and thus redirects to the next most current HWC :D
# @misuba @indiewebcamp it's still an open-ended question intended to inspire fruitful head-scratching, yeah. haven't been able to get to HWCs lately (twtr.io/1DY3GaBu50o)
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# @misuba @indiewebcamp (I would also have accepted British-royalty memes, while we're all creepin' on each other) (twtr.io/1DY3Nu7Dd80)
# @misuba @indiewebcamp I wanted to ask it of the blockchainers because it feels even more head-twisty and maybe fruitful in that field (twtr.io/1DY3VrpojsG)
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# [kylewm] tantek: have you been to Under the Dome since Boulange closed? still an acceptable place for a handful of people to meet
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# KevinMarks1 looks like only 2 restaurants now https://www.westfield.com/sanfrancisco/food/under-the-dome
# @indiewebcamp @misuba right! Open-ended questions are much more fruitfully discussed in person, hence continued encouragement to bring it up at HWC! ^@t (twtr.io/1DY5Dn02seW)
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# aaronpk !tell shaners venue posted for HWC next week! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club
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# @indiewebcamp @misuba right! Open-ended questions are much more fruitfully discussed in person, hence continued encouragement to bring it up at HWC! ^@t (twtr.io/1DY5Dn02seW)
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# Loqi [shaners]: aaronpk left you a message 21 minutes ago: venue posted for HWC next week! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-06-09/line/1465518459134
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@jimpick At the #DWebSummit, @schnarfed gave a lightning talk about the Indieweb and Tantek wrote some notes /cc @t http://tantek.com/2016/161/t1/great-indieweb-lightning-talk (twtr.io/1DY8N5HxZNB)
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# aaronpk [kylewm]: sure! the other thing it's missing is getting messages from IRC to slack. it only does slack to IRC (which is harder anyway)
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# aaronpk the way we're doing IRC to Slack is also somewhat indiewebcamp specific since it uses the irc-people page to look up peoples' avatars to post to slack
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@gRegorLove Hey, Bellingham, want to work on your personal website? Come on out to Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-15-homebrew-website-club (twtr.io/1DYChFuuWQ0)
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# Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-10.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week#How_to
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@malcolmblaney credmentions: a distributed ledger for the #indieweb: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-06-10-credmentions_a_distributed_ledger_for_the_indieweb (twtr.io/1DYN83ZU2R4)
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: no need to apologise. I understand making names for fun, but then they stick
# KartikPrabhu and soon people trying to get into the indieweb have to deal with "credmention", "salmention", "webmention" over and above, "POSSE", "PESOS"
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mblaney you're a physicist yeah? are you unhappy with the number of words used to describe sub-atomic particles? ;-)
# GWG I remember a fictional character commenting once, I forget the context...that humans aren't happy until we've given something a name and defined it, given it boundaries.
# KartikPrabhu but yes, lately in physics there is a trend of assigning "punny" names to things which is just as ridiculous. But no one who is starting out needs to know the jargon, since textbooks lay it out slowly
# KartikPrabhu so if you want to write a "beginners how-to" for the indieweb then make-up all the names
# KartikPrabhu yes and the wiki does not count, since the wiki does not have any hierarchy for things to know
# mblaney it's a good rant :-) and you're right that throwing names around can be a cultural problem, even if we can't help assigning names to ideas.
# mblaney there has been good discussion around culture here recently, hopefully it does translate to welcoming, simple language as the first point of contact for newcomers.
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# Loqi [indieweb] "I've been meaning to do it for a while, but I'm now POSSEing my site http://boffosocko.com to Medium https://medium.com/@chrisaldrich #IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/ive-been-meaning-to-do-it-for-a-while-but
# @ChrisAldrich I've been meaning to do it for a while, but I'm now POSSEing my site http://boffosocko.com to Medium https://medium.com/@chrisaldrich #IndieWeb (twtr.io/1DYSXtpUNKj)
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# KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: sent you a webmention from https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-webmention-books some days ago. Doesn't seem to have shown up on the original post
# Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] I have worked a bit on combining webmention and annotations/marginalia. You might be interested in the post about it: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia
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[chrisaldrich] Kartik: Thanks for the comment on the bookmention/highlight post the other day. I think it was actually your original post and one from Kevin Marks that started me down the rabbit hole so many months ago.
# [chrisaldrich] @Kartik: It's still in my unapproved comment queue to force me to remember to get back to you!
# [chrisaldrich] I have lots of academic friends who do work in incunnabula and marginalia so the topic interests me and I think there's a good bit of overlap with webmention and indieweb principles.
# [chrisaldrich] I have so many itches that have popped up I'm still spending time trying to tease them all apart into bite sized chunks
# GWG [chrisaldrich]: Well, I'm still working through improving webmentions. But there isn't much flashy there right now.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: even some of the small examples I saw you toying around with seemed to be nice little improvements moving forward.
# [chrisaldrich] It also sounded like there was some good in-person discussion to move the whole WP indieweb community forward fairly significantly.
# [chrisaldrich] Kartik: I noticed Kevin Marks pushed webmention on the hypothes.is camp today. I'd mentioned it to them a while back and am hoping they'll implement it soon.
# KartikPrabhu yeah that would be good. But I am still apprehensive about hypothesis reproducing the whole website as is
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: I've also onboarded a few friends/colleagues into the indieweb WP camp in the past weeks. They're primarily Gen3 and I'm doing some handholding in the early days/weeks, but I was curious to hear some general feedback from the "masses"
# GWG The webmention plugin will be rewritten to specification and much more robust than the current iteration. It shows progress
# [chrisaldrich] I'm more worried about Genius.com in terms of their philosophy rather than hypothes.is which has more altruistic visions in my opinion.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: the IndieWeb plugins new iteration is really much slicker looking now. I like that it's moved itself one menu level up where it more rightly deserves to be on one's dashboard.
# KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: but "cloning" someone's website to display thrid-party comments seems nefariously misleading on both genius.com and hypothes.is
# [chrisaldrich] Kartik: The Genius-gate hubub a few weeks back with the sex blogger was certainly eyeopening; I would hope that putting in webmention directly so that the owner of the site or page is at least aware of the third-party comments would help mitigate some of the issue.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: I haven't seen any other quirky issues this week since your last round of updates, so it would appear things are humming along well again.
# KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: all of that depends on whether, the platform is kind enough to send you webmentions about annotations, and remove them if you don't want them
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: I'm sure I missed some interesting pieces by not being there in person. What would you say was the coolest thing you saw over the weekend?
# [chrisaldrich] @KartikPrabhu: they certainly need to be able to give site owners some additional lee-way. I've been thinking about how to better allow that, though no brilliant flashes for it have yet developed.
# GWG I'm not sure I can think of one. Disappointed that I missed some of the IndieMark discussion setting up the other feed.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: breaking things isn't always the worst... small fast iteration can be useful sometimes.
# GWG chrisaldrich, I really want to finish the core work on Webmentions and return to Simple Location. I was halfway through a major rewrite in December
# [chrisaldrich] I don't think I'd noticed until an hour ago, but kylewm works at Medium?! I know they added @mentions on their platform a few months back, but (and I'll say this sotto voce) why not add webmention? It could be the killer app for such a platform....
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: What were you basing Simple Location on? Was there underlying location platform you were using?
# [chrisaldrich] Hmm... maybe he just hasn't changed his byline on medium then as it still lists him as there: https://medium.com/@kylewm/indieweb-summit-2016-b9e438fc0087#.vr5firxub
# [chrisaldrich] GWG: I've been playing around with some location tools in conjunction with OwnYourGram and OwnYourCheckin to use the location data they throw to show maps on those related pages.
# GWG chrisaldrich, I originally used OpenStreetMap, currently using a combination of that and Google Maps. Need to finish support for multiple data sources
# miklb [chrisaldrich] I threw together a static map from the OYG data using mapbox. Want to revisit for a diy checkin tool later.
# [chrisaldrich] I know Known uses OpenStreetMap too. Have you looked at how they've coded things up as an example? You may also be able to recycle some code from there...
# [chrisaldrich] I saw an interesting German map company that made maps with URL based strings, but I can't seem to find it at the moment... something I found on GitHub recently...
# GWG chrisaldrich, if you find interesting sources, the map provider is pluggable. I would just have to implement an interface.
# [chrisaldrich] something like that, though I haven't played around as much with them... though google is probably a better long term "vendor" than the one I'd seen....
# aaronpk i wrote a wrapper for static maps that i can use to plug in any map provider. check out the bottom of https://atlas.p3k.io/
# [chrisaldrich] I'm still also trying to figure out a better workflow for Instagram and Foursquare related posts, both of which take in location data. Between OYG and OwnYourCheckin there can be some redundancies and duplicate posting between POSSE/PESOS strategies.
# [chrisaldrich] If it were easier, I'd post photos to foursquare more often and cross post to instagram.
# [chrisaldrich] Lately I've been relying on Known for foursquare POSSE, but the interface (particularly for mobile) isn't conducive to posting photos with it.
# [chrisaldrich] Then there's always the issue of reformatting photos to work with/look nicely on Instagram...
# [chrisaldrich] Perhaps if there was a unification between OwnYourGram and OwnYourCheckin to handle both Instagram and foursquare simultaneously???
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Summit 2016 Portland - Day 1" https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/sets/72157669305156105 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/09/23/)
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Summit 2016 Portland - Day 2" https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/albums/72157666820775883 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/09/24/)
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Summit 2016" https://medium.com/@kylewm/indieweb-summit-2016-b9e438fc0087 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/09/25/)
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[kevinmarks] Known will posse checkins to Swarm, and audio to soundcloud, but micropub UI doesn't know that and only offers what is suitable for articles
# aaronpk you'd have to do it by the list of properties the post is trying to create rather than explicit post types, since we don't have a fixed list of post types
# aaronpk the micropub client could say "I'm going to create a post with these properties: content, photo, name" and then the micropub server would return the list of syndication targets it can post that content to
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# [kevinmarks] Known's post types are a handy shortcut, but not being able to check in with a photo etc is a bit tricky
# aaronpk this is looking good! http://indiewebcamp.com/this-week/2016-06-10.html anyone want to submit more posts to indienews?
# [chrisaldrich] kevinmarks, I saw your twitter nod earlier with hypothes.is regarding webmentions. Based on your exchange, how likely do you think it is that they'll implement it?
# miklb aaronpk for some reason when I added a css change for my user account, it now lists that page under New members
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Summit 2016 discussion day" https://kylewm.com/2016/06/indieweb-summit-2016-discussion-day
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@John316Network https://booklaunch.io/llwroberts/thedoor - The Door is free. #IARTG #John316author #indieauth https://twitter.com/LorilynRoberts/status/739783198624751616/photo/1 (twtr.io/1DYaypRAfCq)
# [chrisaldrich] kevinmarks: I had pinged the hypothes.is gang back in March sometime regarding the Ella Dawson brouhaha. Adding webmentions could go a long way for providing people with notifications for being marked up: http://boffosocko.com/2016/04/07/webmentions-for-improving-annotation-and-preventing-bullying-on-the-web/
# miklb aaronpk I white listed indieauth & github in Fluid, getting invalid state error. Any suggestions on what else I could white list or should I give up :)
# miklb set to allow any URL and still getting error. This time "missing authorization code" seems Fluid can not handle the redirects with the payload (for lack of a better term)
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