What is Apple really up to?

The Worldwide Developers Conference presented new software from Apple for the Mac, the iPhone, and everything in between — and some of the features are a big deal. What is Apple planning on doing with them in the long run? And how is a company that's still all about hardware going to go toe-to-toe in AI, one of the hottest topics in technology the last few months? Walt and Nilay sit down and dissect what came out of WWDC this year, and what it means for products present and future.

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