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Turns out that the office never had a shredder due to noise concerns and we seldom have work documents that demand such treatment.

But one day the unexpected happened, and we had to literally burn the stuff up in the toilet (with care, of course).

How do others deal with such a situation?

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Noise concerns? If you need to shred as seldom as you describe, it will be noisy for maybe a minute a month. There are plenty of small inexpensive shredders which can handle the load you describe, and people can deal with the very brief noise. – David K yesterday
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We go out to Staples, etc. and buy a shredder. – RBarryYoung yesterday
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I really don't understand why literally starting a fire in the bathroom is considered favorable to the momentary noise a shredder makes. Would you rather make a little noise or risk an injury or damage by starting a fire in a toilet? At best you could just get a small burn, at worst you end up burning down your workplace. – Captain Man 19 hours ago
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. – Jane S 12 hours ago
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Burning sensitive documents is a tried and true method. This is what they did at some of the Iraqi embassies for the first Gulf War. Of course, this flooded their room with smoke, but it did the job. This technique even works if the authorities have cut the power and are preparing to take the building. Obviously, have your underlings do it while you're away. You don't want to get sick from the smoke inhalation. – Stephan Branczyk 1 hour ago

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Turns out that the office never had a shredder due to noise concerns and we seldom have work documents that demand such treatment.

Noise is an excuse, not the actual reason.

Shredders aren't all that noisy, and could easily be operated after hours or in a utility closet where nobody would be disturbed.

Most likely, they simply didn't want to spend the money. Perhaps they were just being frugal, or perhaps they were misguided.

But one day the unexpected happened, and we had to literally burn the stuff up in the toilet (with care, of course).

Burning would work.

Of course, if you set off the smoke alarm it will be far more noisy than a shredder. And if you burn the building down you would have to work outside and listen to traffic going by - that could be noisy too.

How do others deal with such a situation?

I worked at an 8-person startup. When we collected paper that needed to be shredded, the CEO took it home and shredded it there. You could take it anywhere a shredder is available (an office-services shop, home, whatever) and get it shredded pretty easily.

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"You could take it anywhere a shredder is available" --> And that is how you have an information leak. NEVER EVER EVER lose those documents out of sight. Just take the shreader to the office, use it, empty it to a bag under your control and return the (now empty) shreader. If you aren't the one that has to shread those, you will want to empty it and leave the content with the responsable person. This way, your precious self will be protected. Oh, and have eye witnesses! People who saw that the shreaded garbage didn't left the company on your hands. – Ismael Miguel yesterday
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@IsmaelMiguel: if your organisation has documents so sensitive that they can't be left in the care of the CEO, then sure, don't let them out of your sight. I really don't think the questioner has that limitation, simply because any security procedures that rigorous won't include a process where a bunch of people cluster around the toilet asking who has a lighter on them. – Steve Jessop 23 hours ago
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@IsmaelMiguel - okay. If the OP works at a coffee shop with a secret, but one that can't convince themselves to purchase a small shredder, then clandestine toilet-burning may be their most effective solution to avoid leaks (pun intended). For many others, their security needs are more modest, and the solutions are simpler and more obvious. – Joe Strazzere 22 hours ago
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If we're talking about launch codes for nuclear missiles, yes, I wouldn't let someone just take them home to shred them. But if we're talking about more routine matters ... if the CEO regularly brings papers home to work on in the evening, to say that because we've now decided that these documents are obsolete and should be destroyed suddenly the CEO's briefcase and car aren't secure enough, that doesn't make sense. Yes, it's possible that these documents are so sensitive that they must be kept in a locked vault with a team of armed guards and a high-tech alarm system, and they can only ... – Jay 17 hours ago
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... be removed under the direct authority of the director of the CIA, by people with the highest security clearance. But probably not. We need not come up with wild fanciful scenarios to answer the question. Few documents are so secret that allowing them to leave the building in the CEO's briefcase would be considered an unacceptable security risk. – Jay 17 hours ago

The usual solution is to hire a professional disposal contractor to turn up with a shredding truck, and not only shred all the records while you watch if necessary, but provide a signed log evidencing that (which can be essential for certain types of documentation.)

In an emergency your solution works, but is not as safe or clean. If you have a wood fired boiler at work that can be a better option, or as more and more companies go 'green' many are installing biomass converters which can cope with paper along with other organics.

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You didn't have to burn stuff in the toilet. Actually, burning stuff in the toilet is beyond reckless. Think: What's the worst that can happen? The worst is your office building on fire. If you need to destroy paper, and you don't have a shredder, you buy a shredder.

Unless you are in the deepest Australian outback, it shouldn't take you more than 30 minutes to buy a shredder and return to the office with it.

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This answer is the only one that makes sense to me. When you realize you need equipment but do not have it yet, and it is cheap, and you will probably need it again some time in the future, you buy it. Burning stuff in toilet is dangerous, smelly, takes longer, costs more. – Ludwig Schulze yesterday
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Yes. I tried to express the same idea in my answer. I see a lot of questions in forums that amount to, "I know the normal way to accomplish this goal is X. But I've thought of this alternative method that costs more, takes longer, is less reliable, and is probably dangerous and possibly illegal. Is this a good idea?" – Jay yesterday
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This isn't an answer. The question says, "How to properly dispose without a shredder." Your answer is... "What? Are you kidding? Just buy a shredder!" In terms of sensitive documents and how to handle them, there's a whole wealth of possible answers that would be very informative. This is not one of those answers. – The Anathema 18 hours ago
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Given how cheap and available shredders are -- this is the right answer. I mean c'mon! – user23715 18 hours ago
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Seriously? this got flagged for deletion? – Christopher Estep 13 hours ago

If shredding is something you don't do very often, the shredding jobs are not too big when you get them, and you don't need cross cut shredding, then you might consider a hand operated shredder. I have one for home use and, in my experience, it is easy to operate and doesn't make nearly as much noise as an electromechanical shredder. On the other hand, I have found that I must be careful to avoid shredding too many sheets at once - two or three sheets thick is about the maximum mine will take. So, sound-wise, the noise you make won't be as loud, but will last longer. Amazon has one similar to mine for $13 at this link: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004IAF544/

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IIRC, my electric cross-cut one cost $20. They're not exactly expensive. – reirab yesterday

I can't believe nobody has mentioned scissors yet! Yes, it might take a while to shred paper to the extent that a paper shredder would, but it is free, and safer than starting a fire in your toilet (as long as you watch your fingers!)

Or, if your office won't spring for a shredder, maybe they can at least justify purchasing a pair of shredder scissors for the rare cases that they are needed:

shredder scissors

Also, whenever I chop up old credit cards by hand, I always throw the pieces away into several different trash cans. I figure this greatly reduces the chances that someone will be able to find all the pieces and put it back together.

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which makes somewhat of an odd presence in our setting @prusswan - Would it really be that uncomfortable to have a shredder there? Perhaps this is actually just cultural differences, but it sounds like you're imagining a huge machine. – BSMP 12 hours ago

You're heard "buy a shredder". Buy one. Good ones are not as noisy as you think, I have one I blagged off ebay and while it would make a noise that would disturb someone if they were working, you'd have to really go shred a thousand pages, one at a time, before they set on you. Besides, you can put it out of the way or use it out of hours.

Bear in mind that burning can be not as reliable as you think: if you are not taking care to burn each page slowly, and try to burn a lot of pages at once in a metal can, you will find that much of the paper does not burn away - it will float away in the hot thermal draughts, it will leave behind half-burned pages.

But the best way to get rid of paper is water. Water will easily turn a book into a pulpy mass of fibres given a bit of time and some stirring. This is probably the best approach, particularly if you've shredded the pages first (or even just torn them into strips). Put them in a bucket and wait for them to fall apart. Bonus if you make new paper out of the mulch!

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Once you have made it into new paper, shred that paper just to be on the safe side. – dan1111 19 hours ago
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@dan1111 and then burn it! – gbjbaanb 13 hours ago

Since funds are scarce, you can have a bake sale or maybe a 50/50 lottery where the proceeds go to a paper shredder. Run it at night or first thing in the morning before the quiet hours start.

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Good point. If the documents in question aren't worth the $20 or $30 it would cost to buy a paper shredder, than just throw them in the trash. No one cares. – Jay yesterday

If this is a one-time or very rare need, and the amount of paper is modest, I'd just drop them in a metal trash can and burn them. A small enough number of pages at a time that the flames stay contained within the trash can. That's a more thorough destruction than a shredder anyway -- determined people have managed to re-assemble shredded pages.

Frankly, though, I think I'd just buy a paper shredder. You can get a cheap one at any office supply store for like $30.

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Outside. You forgot to say outside. – user1717828 16 hours ago

Many stores like office supply or shipping stores offer shredding services for smaller jobs like yours sounded like on a walk in basis.

Just ensure that the documents are properly secured when you leave the office and take them straight to the shredding location.

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Some good answers already, but all take time. Not great when the SWAT team are trying to bust through the door and the secretary and CEO are trying to hold it closed and wedge a chair under the handle while the wood around the lock is starting to splinter. And the helicopters are making a racket outside making it hard to concentrate. The VP has soiled himself and is running around like the end of the World has come etc,.

For small and rare occasions, burning the documents in anything metal or ceramic is a reasonable thing to do if you're pressed for time. Use common sense in terms of fire safety. Flush or crush the ashes.

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Surely the first bit of common sense in fire safety is "don't start fires in offices"? :) – Julia Hayward yesterday
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So I should stop smoking? Perhaps not use my soldering iron? Throw away the gas stove in the kitchen area? Common sense is common sense..... – Kilisi yesterday
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@Kilisi: to be fair, if your soldering iron is starting fires in the office then you might be doing it wrong. But on the plus side, in terms of fire safety the SWAT team will probably stop the building burning down no matter what you do, if only in the hope of preserving evidence ;-) – Steve Jessop 23 hours ago
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Can't believe I got two downvotes on this perfectly reasonable answer :-) – Kilisi 17 hours ago
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The non-answer (the first paragraph) exceeds the answer (the second paragraph), so I'm not surprised by downvotes. The OP isn't talking about secretly burning evidence or police raids, so the first paragraph strikes me as absurd and out of place. – Monica Cellio 17 hours ago

If all other logistics do not pose an issue (e.g. moving the documents, keeping them contained in a public area, etc.) and depending on your area, you may be able to find "community shred" events. They are free and occur pretty regularly in larger or "greener" areas.

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Why the downvotes on this answer? – Monica Cellio 17 hours ago
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"Drive-by downvoters" suck. I'm giving it a +1 – Xen2050 16 hours ago
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@MonicaCellio - No idea. There are some banks/credit unions that do this fairly regularly. I'd think a bank's standards for sensitive document disposal would be sufficient. OP also says up front that this requires the logistics work out so I can't even guess what the objection to this one is. – BSMP 12 hours ago

what method you choose may depend on how sensitive the documents are. when i was in the military, there were documents that required shredding, and they use a cross-cut shredder that makes little bits of paper instead of strips (yes, people have taken the time to glue the strips together to read a shredded document). when we were in the field, we didn't have a shredder, so we burned the documents in a hole in the ground, and poured water in and stirred the ashes (yes again, some enterprising individual somewhere reconstructed secret documents from ashes that were undisturbed after burning). the crypto facility we got our equipment repaired at actually did both with the documents they handled, crosscut shredding, then burned the confetti... these days, i would treat any sensitive documents (including customer identity and credit card information) with at least crosscut shredding, and not just shredding the document itself, but sandwich the document with other printed pages, printed on the same kind of paper. it may sound wasteful, but you are protecting customer data, and the cost of leaked customer data could be gigantic.

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You could just crumple up a few sheets at a time and drop them right in the toilet, wait a little while for the paper to soften, then flush them down.

Skip the fire & smoke, and resulting danger of injury & damage, no risk of burning anyone or anything. The worst that could happen is calling the building maintenance to un-clog the toilet - so don't overload it, a few extra flushes is even cheaper than buying a real shredder.

Several answers on this similar Q on the Lifehacks stackexchange How to shred papers/letters without using a shredder machine suggest the same idea using a bucket of water, possibly adding salt or vinegar, and using a paint mixer (or egg beaters) to really liquify the paper. That would be even more secure than a regular shredder's pieces that could conceivably still be read. But I think sewer pipes are equally "secure."


Actually, regular paper shredders may not be as safe as generally assumed, not just from a Mission Impossible movie reconstrucing some shredded documents. See:

Identity Theft shredder image


* You may want to think twice about working somewhere that can't even afford a cheap shredder, and thinks it's OK to have employees starting fires in bathrooms.

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I'd upvote this for being so practical, but after the soap microbead ban there were water treatment people making the very public outcry that nothing should be flushed down the toilet except excrement and toilet paper, as the infrastructure just isn't there to handle anything else. – user1717828 16 hours ago
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There are two simple words for the practice of flushing crumpled-up copier paper down the toilet: they are "blocked toilet". Toilet paper is very carefully manufactured to fall apart when wet; even facial tissues are much more resilient in water than toilet paper and a ball of copier paper will stay in one piece all the way to the treatment plant, assuming it doesn't get stuck somewhere. – David Richerby 9 hours ago

The answer is to not destroy the files at all.

Sorry, but when you're burning papers next to a toilet, the real question is "what's my liability for destroying evidence"--even if this case isn't related to anything illegal. Sure, there are legitimate reasons to shred files, but those should all be covered under a policy that PROTECTS YOU in the case of destruction that is unlawful. If your company doesn't even have a shredder, then burning isn't a valid alternative--unless it's the unlikely case that it's the documented policy of the company.

As a side note, I'd consult an attorney and get a resume together if there's something going on here--if there's a reason a document needs to be shredded, it's likely there are acceptable methods (e.g., HIPAA outlines this).

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This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post. - From Review – Christopher Estep 17 hours ago
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IANAL but if documents are being destroyed that one is legally obligated to keep, I'm sure it's just as illegal to shred them as to burn them. Likewise if it's legal to destroy them, it wouldn't be "more legal" to shred than to burn. Barring safety regulations about fires, but that's nothing to do with Sarbanes Oxley. Companies destroy documents all the time completely legally. You're bringing up an issue only tangentially related to the question. – Jay 17 hours ago
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"Quit your job" isn't an answer, at least for the vast majority of questions. We're talking about getting a shredder, not recovering from losing a million-dollar sale. – Monica Cellio 17 hours ago

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