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This claim is being made in some parts of the media:

The 9th Circuit Court has been overturned 80% of the time.

Similar versions abound. Here is another one

Why? Because the “reversal rate” of the 9th Circuit is hovering at a solid 80 percent.

What does that mean? It means that this court is filled to the brim with individuals who have no regard for the constitution and who look to further an agenda that suits their personal politics — also known as “activist judges.”

This is in the context of their ruling against the Trump administration in relation to his executive order banning immigrants from 7 countries.

Is this true?

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It might be worth noting that the Supreme Court doesn't tend to review cases that have no chance of being overturned. I.e., there's a selection bias in effect on the cases they review. – Ben Hocking 12 hours ago
    
To @BenHocking's point: I modified the question. If that is not the claim that the Trump administration made, please include a reference to what the spokesperson said. – Oddthinking 11 hours ago
    
Note that your first sentance and the quoted bit say two completely different things which one are you asking? – Mark 11 hours ago
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@BenHocking That's not right. They tend to decide cases where there is jurisdictional conflict, i.e. the 9th versus any other district has a different legal interpretation – user37696 10 hours ago
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@user37696 here is a quantitative study of that: scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/… – DavePhD 8 hours ago

No. 0.12% of cases ruled on by the 9th circuit were overturned. 99.85% of cases were not heard by the Supreme Court. 0.03% of cases were confirmed by the Supreme Court.

In 99.88% of cases, the Supreme Court either wasn't brought in, chose not to take the case or approved of the 9th circuit's rulings.

This is from the data found by DavePhD. The total number of cases decided by the 9th circuit court of appeals was 114,199. Of that number, 107 were reversed, 33 were vacated, and 35 affirmed by the Supreme Court.

A total of 0.15% of 9th circuit cases were heard by the Supreme Court

Of those cases, 80% were overturned (reversed or vacated). This is the "Reversal Rate" and is the number they are using. The quote omits the fact that the "Reversal Rate", as understood by lawyers, does not include cases that weren't reviewed by the Supreme Court.

With data from Brythan (see their excellent answer), the Supreme Court sees approximately 7,000-8,000 writs of certiorari each term, only 80 of which they agree to take. Assuming the larger number for simplicity, that means 1% of cases requested for review are reviewed. Given that court reviewed 175 cases in the given time frame, we can extrapolate an approximate 17,500 cases were requested for review.

This would give an approximate breakdown of 84.7% of cases weren't even considered by the Supreme Court, 15.1% of cases were declined by the Supreme Court, 0.12% of cases were overturned, and 0.03% of cases were confirmed.

Therefore, the biggest deciding factor from a purely statistical point of view, is "Will the Supreme Court hear the case"? 99% odds they won't, even with a writ. If you hit that 1% odds, then you have 80% odds of the case being overturned. This assumes purely random decision making based on statistics.

But the case in question isn't going to be decided by statistics, but by judges making non-random decisions.

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"thus passively approved by them" doesn't make sense, because someone needs to petition for Writ of Certiorari for the Supreme Court to even consider whether or not to hear the case. That only occurs in about 1% of the cases. – DavePhD 8 hours ago
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And the Supreme Court only has a finite capacity to hear cases, they need to be very selective in the ones they choose. – DavePhD 8 hours ago
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It's like cops writing tickets, they can't possibly give tickets to everyone speeding, they tend to pick out the most extreme cases they can find. – DavePhD 8 hours ago
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The 99.85% figure presumes that any principle the Ninth CIrcuit Court used in a case that got overturned would not have been unique to that case. If the Ninth Circuit uses some principle in deciding 100 cases, and the Supreme Court opts to hear one and overturns it, that doesn't mean that the other 99 should be regarded as having been confirmed in any sense of the word. – supercat 7 hours ago
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@jmarkmurphy That's really what tacit approval means. They aren't directly approving, because they haven't heard the case. It's entirely possible, should they have heard the case, that they wouldn't approve. But in lieu of their directly coming to a decision, the action is assuming to be approved. I agree with DavePhD that it's like a speeding ticket, they simply don't have the time to see all the cases. – Kevin Fee 7 hours ago

According to the American Bar Association article Supreme Court Reversal Rates: Evaluating the Federal Courts of Appeals:

The reversal rates in Figure 2 range between 55% and 84%. Interestingly, this comparison of reversal rates reveals that the Federal Circuit has the highest reversal rate at about 83.33%, and the Ninth Circuit has the second highest reversal rate at 80%. The Seventh Circuit has the lowest reversal rate at 55.26%. The median reversal rate is 68.29%.

The American Bar Association is defining "reversal rate" as (decisions reversed or vacated by the Supreme Court)/(decisions reversed, vacated, or affirmed by the Supreme Court).

In the time period of the bar association study (1999-2008), 114,199 cases were decided by the 9th circuit and 107 were reversed 33 vacated and 35 affirmed by the Supreme Court.

80% reversal rate does not mean that 80% of all the 9th circuit's decisions are reversed. For only about 1% of decisions is review by the Supreme Court requested by one of the parties, and of that 1% only a small fraction are heard by the Supreme Court.

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This doesn't answer the question title "Are 80% of Ninth Circuit judgements overturned by the Supreme Court?", nor the first quote "The 9th Circuit Court has been overturned 80% of the time." – EnergyNumbers 10 hours ago
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@DavePhD well, quite - so please can you address the first cited claim "the 9th Circuit Court has been overturned 80% of the time". All you've addressed is how often they've been overturned when an appeal has been heard. The original claim is practising lying through half-truths; and one of the things we try to do here, is expose it when we find it; unfortunately, as it stands, your answer instead reinforces it. – EnergyNumbers 10 hours ago
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@DavePhD: I think we are agree on the facts. The question has been through a couple of changes (title AND claim), so I think it is well worth emphasizing in this answer that it only includes those that are reviewed - and hence the (poorly worded) claims are false. – Oddthinking 9 hours ago
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I think a perfect answer would be "No. The 9th circuit has been overturned in 0.12% of cases. It has been affirmed in 0.03% of cases. The remaining 99.85% of cases the court's findings were left untouched." – felipa 9 hours ago
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@Dave Then your answer needs to define it. For a person who doesn't know exactly what it means reading the claim in the question could very easily be interpreted as 80% of all their cases are overturned. – fredsbend 9 hours ago

The original question title asked:

Are 80% of Ninth Circuit judgements overturned by the Supreme Court?

No. Asked like that, the rate is between .1% and .2%.

The quoted claim is

The 9th Circuit Court has been overturned 80% of the time.

Which would be better stated as: of the cases from the 9th Circuit that have been reviewed by the Supreme Court, 80% are overturned. This is misleading in that many people will hear the first claim. The wording is overly ambiguous.

As @DavePhD posted the "overturn" rate statistic of 80% is correct. The problem is that not all cases are reviewed. So there might be a 114,199 cases, 175 are reviewed, and 140 are overturned. 140 is 80% of 175, but it is far less than 1% of the overall cases. That rate is between .1% and .2%.

USCourts.gov says:

In fact, the Court accepts 100-150 of the more than 7,000 cases that it is asked to review each year.

Obviously 150/7500 is only 2%. 80% of that would only be 1.6%. And of course, not every case is brought to the Supreme Court for Review. Numbers just for illustration -- the actual rate may differ somewhat.

The Supreme Court says:

The Court receives approximately 7,000-8,000 petitions for a writ of certiorari each Term. The Court grants and hears oral argument in about 80 cases.

It's not clear why the difference in numbers between the two sources. Regardless, the point is that the court does not hear most of the cases where review is requested, much less most of the cases issued by the circuits.

Note that in the context of the travel pause stay, it's not as misleading as it first seems. While only a small percentage of the overall judgments are overturned, a high percentage of those requiring review are overturned. This will almost certainly require review, as there is a conflict in the district courts of different circuits. A court in Seattle issued the stay while a court in Boston ruled the actions constitutional. The only way to resolve conflicts in different circuits is for the national court to rule. The Supreme Court is the national court. The term is circuit split.

The locution used in the quotes is skipping a step. In a random case, it's a big step. In this particular case, not quite as big. But 80% is still a high estimate at this point in the process.

As a side note, one of the reasons why the 9th Circuit has a high overturn rate is that it is too large for en banc review to proceed easily. So more litigants try to get a Supreme Court review without the step of en banc review. The 9th might have better statistics if it overturned some of its three judge panels itself, like the other circuits do. There have been some recent reforms that may help with that going forward, but that's unlikely to affect this particular case.

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The Supreme Court itself says 80 out of 7000-8000 supremecourt.gov/faq.aspx – DavePhD 7 hours ago
    
Perhaps the difference between "about 80" and "100-150" are cases where the court grants certiorari but in the same breath (that is, without argument or opinion) remands for reconsideration "in light of" a recently decided case. – Henning Makholm 6 hours ago

Yes. The cited claims are correct but the simplified/paraphrased post title is incorrect.

Both cited articles do qualify their respective "80% overturned" statements.

The first notes(with my emphasis):

If Trump brings makes his plea to the Supreme Court — with Justice Neil Gorsuch onboard — the “rogue” 9th Circuit decision will be overturned easily.

The second, quoting National Review, states:

The Ninth Circuit’s best showing in recent years was October Term 2009, with a 60 percent reversal rate in the 15 cases on which certiorari was granted.

I agree that someone not reading beyond the headlines might come to the mistaken conclusion that 80% of all of the 9th Circuit's decisions have been overturned, but we do not do that here, right?

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Welcome to Skeptics! Please provide some references to support your claims. – Larian LeQuella 1 hour ago

The actual numbers aren't QUITE that bad.

9th Circuit record of case reversals by the Supreme Court: 2001-20% 2002-50% 2003-100% 2004-0% 2005-50% 2006-75% 2007-75% 2008-100% 2009-60% 2010-79% 2011-71% 2012-86% 2013-77% 2015-63%

Now those numbers represent just the cases from the 9th Circuit that were accepted by the Supreme Court. The majority of cases from any of the Circuit Courts aren't appealed to the Supreme Court. Of those that are appealed, most are rejected by the Supreme Court.

When the Supreme Court declines to hear an appeal, that is NOT a "tacit approval" as some like to claim (especially while trying to defend the 9th Circuit). The Supreme Court chooses which cases to hear based on a number of criteria which are not carved in stone (and not written in the law anywhere) but which are generally recognized as including things like the constitutional significance of the case and cases that represent conflicting rulings by different Circuit Courts.

The Supreme Court is rarely concerned about "Justice" per se - you could be on death row and bring an appeal to the Supreme Court based on proof you were innocent and the case would still be rejected if it didn't involve some issue of law (your innocence is NOT an issue of law). The Supreme Court picks cases that involve what the justices consider significant points of law.

So, yes, as some have pointed out, ALL the circuits have had cases reversed by SCOTUS, but yes, the 9th Circuit does have a pretty consistent reputation as the MOST overturned of all the Circuit Courts.

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Welcome to Skeptics! Please provide some references to support your claims. – Larian LeQuella 1 hour ago

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